Signs, Signs, Everywhere are Signs

This week, I am going to get straight to the point. Everywhere around Menifee I see signs. I am not refering to the paid billboards I see on...

This week, I am going to get straight to the point. Everywhere around Menifee I see signs. I am not refering to the paid billboards I see on vacant properties. The signs to which I refer are the small, miscellaneous signs by individuals and small businesses. I am certain you have seen them; Mobile Detailing, Stop Foreclosure, Yard Sale, etc. And they drive me crazy!

When I see these signs, I look to see who is advertising. I love a yard sale as much as the next gal, but when I see Yard Sale signs 2, 3, even 4 weeks old, I start to get frustrated. The three problems with the signs are:
  1. They clutter the landscape, the view, the beautiful vistas, if you will.
  2. They are not maintained, so many are out of date and useless.
  3. They end up on the ground, and become litter.

If you are going to post a sign for an event, i.e., Bill's Birthday, Susan's Graduation Party, Yard Sale, etc., take your sign down after your event. I know many citizens do, but too many don't. If you are posting a sign for a lost pet, maintain your sign; and remove it when your pet comes home. Don't leave a weathered sign up for months that cannot be read.

If you are a business looking for cheap advertising, contact a local magazine, newspaper, or other publication. You may be shocked at how inexpensive they are. If you have zero money, try Craigslist. Many Yard Salers use Craigslist now with great results! I know for a fact that it works great, and, in case you don't know, it is free!

Let's all work together to keep Menifee a beautiful place!



(Update October 16, 2008, 10:55pm: from this point forward, commenting is turned off for this article)

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  1. How about all the chainlink fencing around these abandoned construction sites, with the tattered/tagged green mesh on it? It looks terrible and its all over the place. Also, excellent points on the signs.

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  2. Certainly agree! What about the BIG one still on Newport Rd, looking more tattered each day, for the council candidates! That sould be embarrassing to our elected council - get it down please! I had heard that Valleywide takes down signs each Monday as they're mowing, etc; maybe they need a reminder. ValleyWide has always been very receptive to community input and react quickly on most things. Vince is a very responsible leader.

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  3. I agree that the signs are an eye sore. My question is - is it illegal for someone to take these signs down? If it is not - then why not just take the initiative and tear them down when you see one!

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  4. leave the business signs alone!!! they are very effective and inexpensive as well. I got some for my biz and put them out. before I got home I had already got a call off of one. the little throw away mailers that come to your house cost 3 to 8 times as much and often don't generate even one lead cause people just trash it with out looking thru it. when you see the sign you either need it or you don't and if you do you call or go to the store they are advertizing. small biz needs all the help possible.

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  5. I couldn't agree more ! All those signs are an eysore and they cheapen the look of our community.

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  6. In the community boundries of the Menifee Lakes Assoc we have seen the sign issue grow beyond words. Years ago before the huge growth of Menifee, we had a MLMA Board President who used to go out and pull signs right out of the ground or off telphone poles because she hated to see the clutter of those signs. She was right, it takes away from the natural beauty of the greenbelts. Those people who are using it for advertising their business should really find another avenue. Yes, you may think it works well, but who pays the cost of the looks of our community? I personally think there needs to be some kind of city ordinance against these type of signs.

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  7. If we're going to complain about signs then can we also talk about people not picking up after their dogs. I'm tired of finding poop on sidewalks, at the parks, and even on my front yard! Pick up after your dog please!

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  8. The Sheriff got tough on this a year ago...

    http://www.menifee247.com/2007/06/sheriff-cracks-down-on-illegal-sign.htm

    Considering the county has beefed up its code enforcement, I'm surprised they haven't continued to enforce this.

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  9. Menifee needs to do the same thing the City of El Cajon does. Make everyone get a permit for their signs. You can't twirl a sign in El Cajon without a permit.

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  10. I've collected dozens of these signs over the years. I toss 'em in the trash.

    I have an idea... Let's all call the phone numbers on the signs and hang up or say something silly. Let's drive them all crazy!

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  11. The other day I saw an old yard sale sign on the ground that a dog had pooped on. Not sure what that means.

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  12. We have a small business but never use that kind of advertising, we use Craigslist, Google and have our own website plus are in the Pennysaver and soon Yellow Book...too expensive? that is the cost of doing business....and tax deductible.
    that chainlink fencing is getting really bad looking along Murrieta road plus there is a lot of rusting equipment behind Wahlgreens.

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  13. Why stop at just getting rid of signs. I lived in the State of Maine, and there are no Billboards or signs allowed anywhere, except in front of a business. Do you realize how nice it is to drive down the road and only see what nature put there. In fact, it's hard to find any litter along any roadway in Maine. People take care of their State. Trust me, you wouldn't miss billboards or signs if they weren't there.

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  14. I am another Menifee citizen that is driven crazy by all of the signs posted around the corner of Newport and Antelope. The do a wonderful job of cluttering our streets and making our area look trashy.

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  15. Brian, I totally agree with you. I spent a year in So. Portland Maine and it is the most beautiful state I have ever been in. The state enforces so many things and is the most environmentally conscious of any state. If California enforced the same rules that Maine does we would not see any of this stupid signs anywhere. If you want to advertise, then do it the old fashioned way.
    Someone mentioned dog poop. Is there any type of ordinance at all in the County of Riverside that enforces cleanup? I came from Orange County and it is a $1000.00 fine if you are caught not picking up after your dog. If I see any of my neighbors dog poop on my grass and not pick it up I will politely throw it on their front door.

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  16. @ anon September 26, 2008 8:57 PM,

    Passive-aggressive reactions to the situation isn't going to help anything. After all, the flaming bag of poo on the doorstep is one of the oldest pranks in the book. If it bugs you so much, grow some balls and let your neighbor know about what you saw, and ask them to be more considerate.

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  17. Newport and La Ladera, Sign Capitol of Menifee. And while we are at It we should change the name of Newport to Tumbleweed Rd. I can't wait until they start blowing all over the area.

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  18. First, is it illegal to remove these litter-prone signs posted at random near traffic stops? Maybe we could get our new city to pass an ordnance to fine signposters for littering. Above all, it should be illegal to post signs on state or county installed signs, i.e. stop signs, traffic directionals, etc. This presents a real safety issue. Is the county instructed to remove signs in their weekly mowing, etc? ANOTHER THOUGHT: WHY CAN'T THE STORES be proactive and ARREST PEOPLE AS SHOPLIFTERS WHEN SEEN TAKING CARTS OFF THE PARKING LOTS INTO THE PUBLIC STREETS? Maybe we could stop people if signs were posted warning of a theft charge for walking away with a cart.

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  19. I agree 100%, I think it should become a city ordinance! If someone does not remove their signs or maintains their signs they should receive a fine!

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  20. I totally agree! What's worse? The used car lots in empty fields & the swap meets out front houses. I love it when I see people getting tickets for have their vehicles sitting with for sale signs on private property for weeks at a time. One of the most discusting sights in Menifee is a house in Rustlers Ranch on Avenida De Real down the street from my parents house that has "yard sales" EVERY weekend. It looks like a discusting swap meet everyday. Seriously people have some pride and clean up our city!

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  21. It IS illegal to post any signage without permission or a permit. So it would NOT be illegal to remove them.

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  22. I am lovin' all of this discussion! Do you mean I'm not the only one SICK of silly signs-esp. down Antelope and I love the 6-8 at the entrance to the models finally going up by us on Garbani-ugh! Maybe they'd sell if they FINISHED THE ROAD and LANDSCAPED and threw away the signs! And the condos that never materialized on Craig and Antelepoe but still have the stupid stupid orange plastic and the fences?! The fence companies are real happy I'm sure but I'd rather look at the field! I live on Palomar facing the field and what do they think we are going to steal-dirt? I was even getting the builders mail for over a year! The post office wouldn't stop it and I finally got sopmeone from the builders to c/b but I had to call the company to take the electrical post (2 years guys!) out of my yard-it was hooked to nothing -they just cut it and left- our mothers taught us to clean up after a mess-I wish the city and county would get them to--

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  23. Alright folks...here we are trying to get some help decluttering our community with disgusting signs everywhere...and on the SAME screen is an advertisement/picture of a business wanting to put up signs...the one about 'not having to climb a ladder'. Does everyone else have this on their screen?? Mercy sakes, we're helping his business it seems.....

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  24. SPEAKING OF OVERKILL OF SIGNS: Take a 'gander' at the signs for the four people dictatorship wants on the Menifee Lakes Board; Newport Road and Menifee Lakes is PLASTERED again with them. The "Rulers" are running scared that they many not get their hand-chosen puppets to dance at their pulling, so AGAIN we must endure the plastering of disgusting signs on our streets, fliers everyday in our gates and mailboxes. Maybe ML got some more $$ donated from their management assn to keep their rule??? Surely the community knows the promoter of sign-overkill for elections.

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  25. I am so glad everyone is speaking out about the ugly signs! Today I noticed that the crooks (Cameron, Moffitt, Schnoor, Vejar) running for the Menifee Lakes Board has signs up again along Newport Road. If these jerks looked under our CC&Rs it states that NO signs can be displayed unless it is a rental for for sale. I guess these four people think they are above the rest of us that live here. I would say to all, make sure you don't vote for them on October 21st. We need a Board that will follow Our CC&R's like we do.

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  26. I found it so amusing that after reading these posts this week to find all those stupid campaign signs up on the median of Newport Road and then disgusted to see that it is actual Menifee Lakes Homeowners running for Board positions who think nothing of their community by littering it's greenbelts with their ugly signs. These are homeowners who know better, they have been in this community for years and they disregard their own CC&R's. I find it ironic that Ms Susan Vejar used to be on the rules committee and held hearings for those who disregarded their CC&R's, and here she is thinking she is above it all. They all make me sick and this group is by far the worst choice ever!! If you live in the Lakes......DON'T VOTE FOR THESE IDIOTS !!!

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  27. wow , you people really need a Hobby, or a life . Could you find something more useless to complain about? don't think so.

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  28. The "anonymous" consecutive comments made on the 27th at 3:11pm,5:41pm, and 7:31pm appear to come from the Former Menifee Lake Manager and current MLMA Board Candidate, DON HARRIS. This is the same guy who filed the frivilous lawsuits (RIC458659) against Menifee Lakes and it's homeowners, that have been dismissed for lack of merit, and cost Menifee Lakes thousands of dollars in legal expense! This is the same guy who requires TWO Restraining Orders(TEC073381 & TEC072789) to protect innocent members of this community. This is the same guy who continues to wreak havoc on the members of this association. The list is way to long to post here!

    Political signs are a far different "animal" than the business signs that litter our neighborhoods.

    The political signs that support long time Menifee Lakes members in this Election will be gone very soon; either by the candidates themselves or by the thieves who continue to violate the LAW and violate the RIGHT to participate in Elections, the FUNDAMENTAL BASIS for OUR DEMOCRACY!!

    For goodness' sake, Vejar, Moffitt, Cameron, and Schnoor are VOLUNTEERING to serve the Menifee Lakes membership(yes, volunteering to DONATE their time and energy, at NO COST for the benifit of their community). Condemning them for their willingness to get involved and promote themselves, as is their fundamental and protected right, is an insult to not only them, but to the framers of our Constitution and to those who have and continue to fight to protect this right.

    I would venture to say, that if DON HARRIS would just "go away" and stop exposing Menifee Lakes to tremendous legal costs and disruption, there would be no need to "advertise" qualified candidates.

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  29. I agree with the last posting; I too believe Don Harris wrote the ones published at 3:11, 5:41, and 7:31 on the 27th. Don Harris has proven that he can/will twist the TRUTH; and the comments regarding the CC&R's not allowing political signs is an outright LIE!! Not only do the Menifee Lake's CC&R's allow them, the LAW allows them!! Civil Code 1353.6 is very clear!!
    Only Don Harris would condemn volunteers who wish to serve their community. Harris knows that if those four volunteers are elected, Harris is off the Board and can not use that position as leverage in the LAWSUIT filed by MLMA against him!!

    Yes, Menifee Lakes had to file a suit against Harris because he took property belonging to the association when he was terminated from his postion as Lake Manager! INCLUDING THE DOOR KNOBS TO THE OFFICE!!

    The members of Menifee Lakes had better pay attention and get involved with this year's election. If the four qualified volunteers ( Vejar, Moffitt, Cameron, Schnoor) are elected, our DUES WILL NOT GO UP, and our legal expenses ( caused by Harris) will go DOWN!!

    I stumbled onto a very informative website recently that provides accurate information to Menifee Lakes members, so that they can be informed and make a wise choice in this year's Menifee Lakes Elections. WWW.MENIFEETRUTH.COM

    I would urge all members of Menifee Lakes Master Association to visit this site repeatedly so that they can make an educated vote in this year's most important election.

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  30. Wow, Wow, Wow. I wouldn't move into Menifee lakes for free. For homeowners who care it seems like a nightmare situation. I had no idea homeowners assoc could be such a ugly animal. When you have someone using names like JERK or IDIOT it should be pretty clear you don't want that type of person handling important matters. Good luck folks!

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  31. To anonymous @ 4:15pm:

    You are absolutely correct that having a Board member who has shown that his behavior requires not one, but TWO Restraining Orders to control him, is a nightmare for the association. Don Harris is indeed a nightmare for Menifee Lakes. As identified by two individuals, the posting that called some an "idiot" (and "crooks") appears to be the type of posting many of us recognize as that of Don Harris.

    Once Menifee Lakes is rid of Don Harris, the community will once again, be "the town of a lifetime".

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  32. anon @ 5:40 pm said:
    Once Menifee Lakes is rid of Don Harris, the community will once again, be "the town of a lifetime".

    Be serious. If it's not Don Harris, it's going to be someone else. Obviously the guy has some grudges, whether founded or unfounded. But he has the right to live in ML as much as anyone. Perhaps a bit of civility toward him and the Don Harrises of the future could be an alternate approach. We are a society who loves to hate, loves to throw around harsh words at anonymous stereotype groups.

    I think it's rather pathetic that in this day and age where we have endless resources and opportunities for education, so many people continue to throw around empty threats and insulting retorts.

    I wonder how much self-awareness the average Menifeeite has. Do you realize that much of the area still considers the residents of menifee to be lower-class hicks? How are we ever going to overcome that stigma when we continue with the shouting and arguing and petty personal attacks?

    Let's talk about the real issues in our community. I noticed today in my sunday driving that there so many more signs on the corners than I have ever seen before. If I wasn't on my way to church and other gatherings, I would have taken down a corner's worth myself. I don't care if it's illegal, the signs are an eyesore to our community.

    And what about the patchwork of roads everywhere? There is virtually no main thoroughfare through Menifee that has not been ravaged by construction, poorly patched and literally falling apart day by day.

    If we could get past all of the small-minded petty attacks, perhaps we could all get together to improve our community.

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  33. I for one have experienced nothing but grief with Valley Wide's removal of signs. I have a beloved, lost dog and I put lots of money and hours into making attractive lost signs all of which were torn down and thrown away without a care. These signs are an effective way to reach out to the community for help and anyone who has pets or children should appreciate it because if one of yours was lost you would want all the help you could to get them home! Yes I ran lost ads in all the papers and online as well but signs are very helpful as well. I see no harm in having signs of any kind up for a few weeks & then removed when they become tattered but that's just my opinion.

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  34. anon @ 5:40

    "if it's not Don Harris, it's going to be someone else".

    OBVIOUSLY you do not have an understanding of what has been happening in Menifee Lakes for the past two years.

    The MLMA legal expenses strictly related to Don Harris is approaching 6 digits!! NOT PETTY!

    Two Restraining Orders!! NOT PETTY!!

    Intimidation and Harassment!! NOT PETTY!!

    Frivilous Lawsuits!! NOT PETTY!!

    Killing the Ducks!! NOT PETTY!!

    Conversion, Theft, Vandalism!! NOT PETTY!!

    It takes money to deal with real issues that impact Menifee Lakes. Unfortunately for all of us, money that could be used to improve MLMA, is being used to deal with a guy who is out of control!!

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  35. "If I wasn't on my way to church...I would have taken down a corner's worth myself. I don't care if it's illegal..."

    You are correct that removing certain roadside signs is considered a crime and could be (as in the case of political signs) prosecuted as a felony!

    BTW, Where is this "church" that it's congregation justifies breaking one of the commandments and engage in illegal behavior?

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  36. posting a sign is one thing. Leaving them to rot is another.

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  37. It doesn't take a scholar to read into the ML Board postings to elevate their scorn against a board member who speaks out against their wrongdoings. yes, the atty fees are horrendous, spent by the current pres,v-pres, and laughingstock cfo, taking not only the said boardmember, but anyone else they can use the assn-paid atty to harrass. The one poster said it right, run-fast from living in MLs; its controlled by a group of individuals whose only outlet for recognition is being on, and protecting, the board. Remember these names plastered all over the area, then use your smarts to figure out WHY the board is spending all the $$ to get these four on with them. Remeber the endless green and white signs plastered all over for the council election? Same group; however he came in shamingly low even after all the $$. Menifee, shun ANYONE running for ANYTHING that you know is from ML's cabinet. Our cabinets are full of roaches. ANOTHER STRANGE: their website is solely to smear and vent their vendettas against anyone THEY perceive as an enemy; yet they are dense enough to state 'its not for profit' and then ask for donations via Paypal ! Donations for what ?? To join in their destroying people and families ??
    they would do well to clean up their own henhouse before trying to restrain all the chickens running afoul. Charity begins at home.....

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  38. WHY in ML elections does it ALWAYS have to be about destroying another INSTEAD of just relying on THEIR OWN merits and what THEY can do for the community if elected! No, we don't hear anything about their real qualifications, we just get to experience their smearing of others. Could it be that they have nothing to offer except their war-mongering ways? For unfortunate homeowners stuck in ML because of the drop in property values, we must endure weeks of hearing and seeing name calling, sheets hanging out with smut against opponents, elderly people joining in their threatening of harm to get 'back' on the board! To think that one of these boys and girls (yes thats what they call themselves; how cool is that for grown people??) even ran for the new council is very scary indeed; although he didn't fare too well. You would not only have gotten him, you would have inherited the unscrupulous group he runs with.

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  39. re: 11:18 & 11:52,

    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Do you even know what you are saying? Candidates spend their own money campaigning, no money comes from the Board! Seriously, were do you get your info?

    " No, we don't hear anything about their real qualifications, we just get to experience their smearing of others." AGAIN, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Every member of Menifee Lakes received with their ballots, the Candidate's Statements which listed each candidates' qualifications!

    There are EIGHT candidates running for four seats in this election. ONE candidate, Don Harris, has seen negative comments about him. Why, because regular folks don't appreciate those who require TWO Restraining Orders to control their behavior. These same regular folks are sick and tired of all the things Don Harris has done, and that includes the exposure to tremendous costs and liability.

    Do a google on "Don Harris" Menifee. See what comes up! Don't criticise the messenger who brings you the bad news about your pal Harris. Blame Harris.

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  40. We all live in Menifee. What else should we expect. If you dont want signs then move to RomoHomoland. No signs there because they dont have an economy. Signs bring business and the whole process is cyclical. I think we should post a phone number from one of those stupid "Dont Foreclose, Call Us" signs and we can all call and harass them to take down their unattractive signs. If i was still 26 years old i'd probably consider burning them down. A little petty arson never hurt much.

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  41. Sometimes I feel anger towards those who put up those signs. No one will ever read their ad in the Penny Saver. Maybe we the town can create a job by having someone to take them down.

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  42. I agree with the comments. I think we could pay children that ride the laidlaw bus, you know the retardations, to pull out the signs for five cents a piece. Now that is putting money where your mouth is.

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  43. I don't know who this "lowlife" is that posted about retardation kids but you nothing but scum for your comment.Who died and made you God? I have a sister that is mentally retarded and had to deal with aholes like you all of our lives. They all might be mentally challenged, but they are all so sweet and kind souls. Can't say that about a creep like you. Go back under your rock and stay. Menifee doesn't need your "type" of element living among us. Also, the 9-270 5:41 pm posting was written by me, NOT this Don Harris. He is just as dangerous as the other I mentione