What does it mean when you hear "Illegal"?

It has come to my attention that some of my neighbors are employing the day workers from the corner of Murrieta Road and Scott Road to do wo...

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It has come to my attention that some of my neighbors are employing the day workers from the corner of Murrieta Road and Scott Road to do work around their homes. Upon further discussion with my neighbors, it has become apparent that they are aware that many of these workers are undocumented and illegal aliens.

What does it mean to you when you hear "Illegal"?

To me, it means, "against the law". The individuals are here illegally, and are committing a crime by just being in this country. Employing them is another crime, and only condones and perpetuates this criminal behavior. Yet, it exists. Under our very noses, and we, as law-abiding citizens, turn away and pretend that we don't know our neighbors are committing a crime.

If your child came home with stolen property, would you allow them to keep it? Would you proudly display it in your front yard? I would think not; but many of you will employ an "illegal worker" to install your sprinkler system in your front yard.

Don't get me wrong. I am not lumping all people of any one race together. I am talking about the individuals who are here illegally being knowingly hired for work.

Wouldn't it be better for everyone, at least for the citizens of this country, if we paid a few dollars more and hired a legitimate citizen, or even, a licensed contractor? It would certainly help to stimulate our failing economy!

Remember, these individuals drain our State's resources dramatically. By providing them unreported employment income, you are enabling them to stay in this country longer to drain our ever diminishing resources. They don't pay taxes, at least Income taxes, as many of them like to argue, but never fail to know where to get a free handout from the State!

The next time you need the assistance of a police officer, think about how hard they work for all of us, and if you are helping to perpetuate a law-abiding society, or a law-breaking one, as well as thinking about whether this officer's pay was helped or harmed by the last person you hired.

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  1. we went by there about a day ago and the Menifee police plus several code enforcement officers were there. I agree with you..I have no problem with legal emigrants, we all came from somewhere else in our past.

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  2. Okay agree! Where do you find someone who does a great job. I have asked my neibors and they seem to have hired non-americans. Yikes,
    Trying to do the right thing.

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  3. We do not hire them. But when we when hired a "licensed contractor" who was an American citizen they had illegals doing the work! 500 went to the contractor and 150 went to the laborer who actually broke a sweat. I do not respect Americans that use illegals that way. Some people just do not want to work hard.

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  4. Ahhh, and there is the problem. Many illegals do the work "Real Americans" don't want to do.

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  5. Ms. Tina, Your Real Americans rather be on unemployment than get their hands dirty installing sprinklers! These poor "Illegals" come hear to try and earn a few bucks to feed their families. Don't you have anything better to do with yourself, than discriminate against others? Have a heart and get a life you racist .....!

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  6. This is simple and if I were president for just one day the first thing I would do is DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. This would solve about 80 to 90 percent of all the unemployement throughout the United States. It would also reduce the crime by over 60 percent.
    These are all valid numbers and the statistics speak for themselves.
    I am not being racist, I am being a realist.

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  7. Most of these comments and this article are all so short-sighted and point out the true problems with Menifee. Do you not think these 'illegal' workers would love to be legal citizens? Most of them would happily pay taxes if they could because that would give them status and security in the country. Have you ever lived in a place where you couldn't feed your children? Wouldn't you do all that you could to support them? And may I remind you, that unless you can boast Native American heritage, every single person in this country is an 'immigrant'. You just had the good fortune to have relatives that decided to make life better for their children earlier on when legislation in the US wasn't based on exclusion.

    And which one of you self-righteous Americans wants to go out and do manual labor of this kind? Deporting all illegal immigrants would be an absolute disaster. For one, the price would be astronomical and because you would be getting rid of a group of people willing to do menial jobs for not very much money, prices of American grown fruit and vegetables would sky rocket.

    The world would be a much nicer place if you would just have a little empathy for other groups of people...

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  8. As a retired 25 year veteran of Federal law enforcement, I find some of the comments on this topic interesting and egregious at the same time.
    First I encourage the poster calling people racist to look up the true definition of the word. It is being misused here. If you choose not to hire someone based on their illegal immigration status, you are not a racist. You are simply following the law. I encourage the same poster to look at an I9 form available from any employer in the United States. There you will find the laws pertaining to the hiring of individuals in this country.
    Secondly, this state among others holds amnesty days for individuals wishing to become documented. Is it an easy process? Not at all. Have thousands applied and become documented? Yes!
    My immigrant family came to this country many years ago. My great grandparents did not speak English, but had the desire to become American citizens. They did so legally, learned the language and help to build this great country. I am a product of this process and it ultimely inspired me to go into law enforcement. I did not read anywhere in the original post that undocumented individuals were either good or bad people, just that hiring them is illegal. That my friends is true. Whether it affects our economy one way or the other or there would be no one else to do "menial" labor, the fact of the matter is they are not here legally and hiring such individuals is a felony and Federal crime. The law is very specific and even providing food, shelter or transportation is a Federal crime. It falls under aiding and abetting.
    If you doubt the veracity of my comments, I encourage you to stop one of our new Menifee Police Officers and ask for they're opinion on the matter. Better yet, next time you are traveling to or from San Diego, stop by the Border Patrol check point and argue the point with them. Cheers!

    Jack Ferguson
    U.S. Marshals Service, RET.

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  9. ... Wouldn't it be better for everyone, at least for the citizens of this country, if we paid a few dollars more and hired a legitimate citizen, or even, a licensed contractor? It would certainly help to stimulate our failing economy!

    Remember, these individuals drain our State's resources dramatically. By providing them unreported employment income, you are enabling them to stay in this country longer to drain our ever diminishing resources. ...


    Most people care more about draining their personal bank accounts than doing what’s best for the state. Sorry, but it’s human nature. If a laborer who does equal work can be hired at a lower cost, people are going to do so unless a penalty exists.

    The ready and open availability of illegal labor and the fact that their employers aren’t sitting in jails tells me we aren’t really serious about enforcing the rules.

    Corporations have the luxury of moving operations out of the state/country to where the same jobs can be done at lower wages. People who live here have simply found a way to achieve a similar benefit.

    The income tax thing is not really a big issue. Their meager annual income is not likely to even reach the lowest rung of the ladder that would trigger taxation.

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  10. All right. I agree. Let's do it. Let's get rid of all illegals in order to save moeny. Let's do it right now. Let's not waste anymore time about it. Ok, first things first. We'll have to FIND all of the illegals. Hmm, that might be difficult but if we hired more police and put them in charge of nothing else, they could probably round them all up. Everybody knows where every illegal is, right? What? What is that? THERE MIGHT BE AS MANY AS 12 MILLION OF THEM? Dear God! That will cost a pretty penny! If it comes out that hunting illegals costs more than a few bucks per success story, that could be millions and millions of dollars spent on hunting them down. Oh well, no matter. The illegals must be kicked out. OK, we have rounded them all up. We've got 12 million illegals sitting in holding pens all over the United States. Damn, we need to build some more holding pens because we don't have a jail large enough to hold an extra 12 million people. Hmm, how do we get them back to their country? Fly them? Yeah, 12 million coach tickets would be a nice use of tax-payer dollars. Drive them? Sure, with gas at over $2.00 a gallon that would be very cost efficient. You could probably safely get 10 illegals into a van so you would only need to use 1.2 million vans to get them back where they came from. Not to mention the salaries of the illegal alien hunters, the detention camp guards, and the 1.2 million van drivers. But, after spending 100's of millions of dollars, we have them all kicked out. Well, we gotta keep them out. A wall! A border wall is the answer! Hmm, it's gotta be tall so they can't climb over it. It's also gotta be thick so they can't drill through it. Don't forget to make it deep in the Earth so they cannot tunnel under it. So how much would it cost to pay tens of thousands of workers to use millions of dollars worth of supplies to build a 15 feet tall, 3 feet thick, 10 feet deep, 1,969 mile long, concrete wall? Keep in mind that this is nearly 780 million cubic feet of concrete structure (with thousands of miles of rebar reinforcing it) Would that be a satisfactory use of tax payer dollars? Yes yes. We must do all of this in order to save some money.

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  11. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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  12. Tina's input should be treated like any "letter to the editor" instead of an informative or newsworthy article. Shame on all of us for wanting the illegals to be penalized. Who do we think we are that we aren't able to just thank God we have never had to 'sneak and hide' just to try to live in a better place? Is seeing illegals trying to find a days work enough to send us off the deep end? Have mercy! What's on your table tonight...steak and potatoes? How about the featherbed you're going to rest on? get a life!

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  13. Tina has a right to her opinion but I disagree with it and I'm disappointed to know she feels that way. I have alot more respect for someone who wants to work and will do whatever he can to support his family rather than sit on his butt collecting unemployment and food stamps. To the "Realist's" post. You have the statistics incorrect, check it out on google, not even close to 60%. Thank god you'll never be president. Illegal's are not the problem with the ecomony or unemployment. Mr Bush put us in this mess, not a few hispanics on a street corner. Tina, are you suggesting if we suspect our neighbor is using an illegal that we call the police to report them? Just curious.

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  14. Tina, times are tough. Save some money, hire a wetback.

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  15. Do not hold or jail any illegal. Deport them back to their countries they are citizens in. Bill the countries for any costs involved.
    As for our border, post snipers all over the place and shoot anyone trying to cross into our country illegaly. Problem solved!

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  16. If you are not here legally (citizen, green card, visa, whatever) get out of the USA.
    It's so sad that big companies actually hire people and bring them over from other countries to fill positions that US citizens could easily fill. This practice needs to be stopped.

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  17. Shoot the white trash that hire the illegals as well!! Deport the wetbacks back to Mexico with a bag of white trash strapped to their backs. We're in this mess because of what we did as Americans. We let them cross our borders and do nothing about it. People employ them and no one does anything about. And we get on blogs and tell others we should protect them. This is why they are here, and this is why they do not learn to speak english or become legal citizens or change their behavior. Because we make it easy for them!!If times are tough, hire an American to do the job so he/she can feed their families. What is this world coming to? I for one am going to move to where there are no illegals. I'm moving to Mexico!!

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  18. I just woke up from my feather bed and decided to get some huevos rancheros for breakfast. On my way, I hit an illeagal. Should I report it? They're here illegally and no one will miss them, well except for the people who hire them. Technically they don't count for anything and another will just come in his place soon. I think I will leave him there. Monday is street sweeper day! GO MINUTEMEN!!!

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  19. Are you kidding. Wetback? Run them down? Who is the white trash here. Probably a Ann Coulter lover too. Please, get the heck out of Menifee. What a donkey.

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  20. I live next to you. I will not leave Menifee and in fact I will be bringing my donkey over later to visit you. I've painted stripes on him to look like a zebra. For 5 pesos you can wear a sombrero and have your picture taken. Welcome to Amexica!!

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  21. That's hysterical. Only a donkey would paint a donkey. Thanks for the funny posts.

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  22. Can't we all just get along?!!! :)

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  23. We run a small business and are not adverse to labor, our sons aren't either..we've raised them to be good citizens and have excellent work ethics...check the other Menifee 911 site for other small businesses...if you want to do the right thing...

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  24. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal agency responsible for investigating illegal hirings, has stepped up its enforcement of the employer sanctions law in the past year, leading to a dozen major busts. Currently, fines range from $2,000 to $10,000 depending on the offense. The agency says some penalties could include at least six months in jail.

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  25. Who do I think I am? I am a U.S. Citizen who is fed up with all the bleeding hearts who cut down there fellow Americans as racist, low life's who collect food stamps and unemployment and praise law breaking illegal aliens who steal into our country reaping the benifits of free health care, food stamps, welfare, and commit idenity theift along with murder and rape. What the hell is wrong with you people? Millions of Americans are out of work, and millions of illegals are still working in our country. Am I angry you bet I am because Americans are unable to feed there faimilies,families in this country are homeless yet the illegals get housing and no questions asked. you bet I say ship them back and no tears shed for a race of people who do not want to be part of this country but only want how much they can take from this country and its people. And as far as not able to find these people thats a bunch of crap. They march in our streets and the Government knows that we have over 12 million illegal aliens in this country. They rounded up all the Japanise in this country during world war II even the ones that were American citizens (born Here)and put them on buses and imprisoned them in camps for over 4 years. If the US could do it once they could do it again. I know a bunch of true patriots who are willing to drive the bus to take them out of this country for good.

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  26. Who do I think you are? A racist, paranoid, and a hate monger. FYI, I not a liberal bleeding heart. I am a independant who see the good and bad on boths sides of the spectrum. I am not for letting one more illegal into our country. But I am not in favor of degrading, or running them down by automobile as previouly suggested. Yes, we need to have a plan to get them back to their country but not by killing them off. Lighten up

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  27. To semi quote Jack Nicholson,
    "Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don't want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"
    GO MINUTEMEN!!! GO BORDER PATROL!!!

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  28. If anyone saw president Obama at the OC fairgrounds last week he spoke about immigration. He is in the process of booting out the illegals and it will only take time.
    We have had 2 presidents in the last 100 years that have ordered the deportation of all illegals in this country. I don't remember which presidents they were, but I know this did in fact happen. One of the times the specific reason was for legal american citizens to have employment.
    I can't wait for this to happen, if it actuall does. If it does, we will see an immediate decrease in unemployment.

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  29. Here we go again with the bleeding hearts calling true blue Americans racist for wanting to get rid of the garbage that brakes into this country then marchs in the streets bragging they are here illegaly and giving the finger to the laws of the US and carry Mexican flags to show they are loyal to their country not the US. Where do any of you get off calling someone else on this blog (White Trash) talk about racist that is one of the most racist statements anyone can make. and how the hell do you know the person is white. You racist pig. Why cut down Ann Coulter for speaking her mind. Which is something I doubt the donkey who wrote that statement has or even read her view point and if he/she did it is more then likely someone who has no loyalty to the US and its laws. Its ok for illegals to break the law,not pay tax but put the American in jail who fails to pay his tax. Its ok for the illegal to steal an americans ID but the American who does it goes to jail for a feloney. Its ok for the illegal alien to bring drugs into our country cause they want a better life for thier kids and kill americans with their drugs,cause they are just trying to make a living off the dead lives of Americans. Its ok to put two border patrol agents in prison for trying to protect our borders from a known drug dealer cause he is an illegal alien trying t support his family. Well my friend that is just what you are saying because they are all illegal and are stealing from this country with the aid of bleeding hearts like you. So I say increase the ICE raids and get the illegal aliens out of my Country. And you know what I don't give a dam if you call me racist or not I know I am a true blue American Citizen and will continue the fight to get all of the illegal aliens out of my country.

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  30. Quoting Jack Nichelson, Hmmm... I seem to recall he went to jail for his evil actions. LOL

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  31. Is Juan,
    I no go home now because whitey keep paying me to work. He pay me good so I send money home to my family. I no day off in months! Thank you to Gov. Arnold for giving me healthcare, teaching my kids for free and putting ATM's in Espanol. America been very, very good to me!

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  32. When you are in Mexico, are you treated fairly if the police stop you, or if you get into an accident? NO!! You most likely will end up in prison. I suggest everyone of you that have a bleeding heart for illegals, get a job at a grocery store. You will see just how much the government gives in food stamps, wic and welfare checks. The majority of illegals send their money to their families in Mexico. Women come across the border to have their children so that they will be citizens and get state aide.
    Obviously, they come here for a job and a better life, but why can't they do it the right way. Why is it that they fly mexican flags instead of american flags?
    Why don't they speak in English?
    I don't understand why all americans of every race, are not outraged by this. People with these views are not racists. Like me, they are tired of our countries resources being swallowed up by individuals who contribute nothing in return. Except manual labor. Thats America's problem, all the fat lazy people can't do their own yard work.
    By the way, the guys on the corner are not that cheap. Do the work yourself, or hire a contractor.

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  33. I'm speechless at the ignorance and insensitivity displayed by some of the people who have posted in this discussion. While I agree that illegal immigration is a drain on our society, the amount of raw hate and lack of respect for humans baffles me. Perhaps when our society can mature enough to have a conversation about this topic without racial slurs, hasty generalizations and shortsighted conclusions, we can begin figuring out how to make our country the beacon it once was. Change starts with every person individually. Perhaps if more people realized that we could all find some better solutions than we have now.

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  34. People may be undocumented citizens- but are not Illegal. That term is derogatory.

    The US took the land from Mexico in 1848 using the Treaty of Hidalgo Guadalupe. This land was Mexico- now we call their descendants "illegal". This would be the equivalent of me stealing your home and then when you try to move back in, I call you illegal.

    For those Christians out there, of which I am one, what does our Bible have to say about immigrants?

    Exodus 22:21, "You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt."

    Leviticus 19:34 "The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God."

    From the New Testament Letter to the Hebrews we hear, "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing so some have entertained angels unawares."

    Quit being haters! You can't pick and chose scripture that conforms to your life. Be consistent.

    Further, is anyone upset at the employers who hire undocumented immigrants? The employers save on taxes. If there were no jobs available to them, usually offered by Republican businessmen, then they would not be here. The fact is that a lot of people are now going back to Mexico since the economy is so bad here.

    Further, George Bush wanted to merge the US with Canada and Mexico to form the North American Union... here is the link if you don't believe me. That is why he was never tough on immigrants.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

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  35. Is Juan again,
    I no follow the laws because I no read english. I no follow the Bible because it no contain laws!
    Laws are for law abiding citizens. I no citizen.
    Thank you Gov. Arnold for letting me live in big house with my 19 relatives!

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  36. The United States is a nation of immigrants from all over the world. The resulting ethnic mosaic goes a long way toward explaining our greatness as a nation. Immigration has always been a blessing for us, and it still is. But yesteryear's immigration and today's differ in several important respects. For the most part, yesteryear's immigrants came here legally. Because there was no welfare state, we were guaranteed that they'd work as opposed to living off the rest of us. Furthermore, they sought to assimilate and adopt our culture and become Americans. That's not so true today, where Hispanic activists seek to impose their language and culture on the rest of us. At some public schools, they've raised the Mexico flag atop the U.S. flag. They've announced that they seek to take back parts of the U.S. that were formerly Mexico.

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  37. I agree wholeheartedly ... we need to station ARMED TROOPS at the border. It's more than just a coincidence that right after we went to war in Iraq and our troops were deployed that this illegal infestation
    from Mexico really began in earnest. They KNEW our troops were deployed overseas, they KNEW that the border
    would be porous, and they KNEW exactly how to exploit its weaknesses. This is an invasion. There can be no doubt about it. Refusal to learn/speak english, refusal to assimilate, refusal to acknowledge or obey the laws the rest of us
    are governed by. It is a Coup 'd Etat by Mexico without a shot being fired. Their weapons? The National Council of La Raza. MEChA, MALDEFF, LULAC, hundreds of thousands of "Anchors" born here. This pitiful government needs to get its act together, clamp down the border and begin Operation WB2 and send them back to Mexico, Honduras, El Salvadore, Guatemala, etc. They need to go. This nations resources are not infinate. Our eco systems are being
    trashed and destroyed, yet you'll never hear about it from the tree huggers who have their own agenda. NO nation can be expected to absorb the hoardes of illegals that we are expected to coddle and welcome. We're too crowded
    as it is, and our resources are drying up. It's gonna get worse if the people or the government sworn to protect this nation and her people don't wake up and open their eyes and DO SOMETHING! If I wanted to live in Mexico, I'd MOVE to Mexico. I don't wish to live in Mexico. I don;t need to. All I have to do is look out my window, and I could swear I'm
    in some Mexican Barrio.

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  38. There's absolutely no reason for a "study" or a "debate" on this illegal immigration mess. Overstayed your visa? Hired a Coyote to smuggle you and your family here? Sneak across the border? That means you are here illegally.
    You need to go. Now. There. End of debate. End of study.

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  39. And you just KNOW that there are COUNTLESS MCDONALDS franchises across the nation doing the
    same damned thing. Got tired of nobody speaking english, orders ALWAYS getting screwed up, and taking forever. Nope. Enough. In fact, It's not just Mc Donalds - it's every single burger joint/fast fod joint. Arbys, Subway, McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, JackIn The Box , etc...it's the same. High school kids
    can't find work in these joints during the summer and after school as they used to (Its how I earned money in High School) because these illegals have taken these minimum wage jobs and actually turned flipping burgers and
    salting fries into careers, and the franchise owners just LOVE IT! They need to check every single fast food franchise, boot the illegals and make room for our own kids who would love to pick up a few extra bucks.

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  40. … High school kids can't find work in these joints during the summer and after school as they used to (Its how I earned money in High School) because these illegals have taken these minimum wage jobs and actually turned flipping burgers and salting fries into careers…

    You make it sound like illegals have some kind of captive control over the jobs. They don’t. If our high school kids apply for the jobs, they should stand an equal likelihood of being hired.

    Something else likely accounts for any perceived preference of illegals. Maybe they’re better workers and cause less trouble for their employers…

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  41. Let's face it, illegals are illegal. But if it wasn't for the jobs here, and the people that hire them,do you really think they would be here? We always worry about the immigrants, yet it is the corporate sponsers, big and small, who hire illegal labor that is the problem. Even when the government does their job, they raid a mom and pop type of establishment. The real problem is the federal government. Republicans support illegals because it helps their big corporate buddies find cheap labor. Democrats support illegals because they view it as a human rights issue. Bothe sides contribute to the problem.
    I have an idea, how about we ask the Feds to take the money that California, Arizona, Texas, etc... spends on funding all the services that illegals use out of the money we send to Mexico every year in the form of "aid". Mexico is already crumbling under corruption and poverty, so why give them more money that ends up in the hands of the already rich as it is.
    Menifee was built with the hard work and sweat of illegals. All of the homes, pools, yards, Countryside marketplace, etc... were all built using illegal labor. Most illegals just want to work. They aren't the problem. Can you blame them for coming here as long as people hire them? Be mad at the people hiring them. If illegals can't find jobs, they will leave. Simple as that. Will business have to spend more money on labor, yes. It is time we stop with these failed Reaganesque ideas that business would be hurt by restrictions on hiring. We can't have it both ways. No illegals, higher labor costs. You can have expectations for businesses, or you can allow them to continue supporting the influx of illegals. Your choice.

    Finally, people need to stop claiming California was stolen. Califorina was mexico's payment for a lost war, in exchange for the US not invading Mexico. It wasn't stolen, Mexico lost it legally.

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  42. JUST A COMMENT TO "MENIFEE" TINA with the "Alcatraz" mindset: NOW have you done what you KNEW that stupid post would do? IF you're going to be a columnist, at least come up with some ORIGINAL community-building topic; NOT something that is worn to death and sets neighbors against neighbors? How's it feel to be one who stirs up HATE-MONGERING among us? SHAME ON YOU !! I really hope you live far away from any of these bloggers; don't forget(and don't rest easy): ANYONE who is a filled with hatred for ANYONE or ANYTHING is apt to turn on his own. Such hatred overtakes us and we loose site of its focus; killing everything in sight. Hope you sleep well tonight.

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  43. Lots of very strong comments here. I understand all the uglyness because some of these posts have made me mad. I believe illegals should not be here, deported in fact. But the racist comments, the "Juan" posts are terrible. They make me want to lash out by saying the poster is probably fat, ugly and a miserable person with no friends but I'm not going to go there. lol

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  44. As a person with Native American heritage (Chumash), I am all for loading the busses, boats, trains with all the illegals and sending them back to Mexico, Europe, Canada, and any other country they came from. It will be pretty empty here, but oh well. Guess what goes around comes around.

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  45. I agree with the Native American theory, there would be very little people left here. Only problem with that would be... who would go to the casino's???

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  46. The problem with that Native American theory... they also came from somewhere else at some period of time. My heritage is typical of any other white person, but I was born here and so were my parents, grandparents, most of my great grandparents, and so on. The citizens of the US aren't on this land illegally, because our government said so. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater by speaking in hyperbole. It only clouds the real argument.

    Nobody has mentioned that perhaps our immigration laws should be changed. I'd like to know who of everyone posting on this thread actually knows the history of US immigration laws? Do any of you appreciate how difficult it is for honest people to legally immigrate? Because of the way our system is designed, anyone residing outside the US seeking to do it the 'legal' way has about as much chance of being granted legal immigration status as being struck by lightning. The sad fact is it's much easier to come in from another country on a visitor's visa (or other means) and just stay here. Sure, you'll be considered 'illegal' but eventually you can work up to legal status if you want to. Ergo, the system incentivizes illegal immigration.

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  47. Some of you are posting comments that make it seem as though you know some of these illegals or support them because they are trying to help their families. I have first hand experience in dealing with the illegals in Menifee, mainly in Romoland. I'll tell you right now, those people do not care about America, our traditions or our values. Don't get me wrong, there are some that do, but they are not illegal. They help the community and pay taxes etc. If you live in Menifee, you should take a drive over to Romoland and drive down 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th street. As well as Monroe, Adams and Jefferson. Romoland has a big problem with illegals. You will notice that that is the area of the city where the most violent crimes occur. There is also a Hispanic gang located in Romoland called RVL. There are shootings, stabbings and home invasion robberies as well. The point is to not make it a race issue, but to be honest. There is a problem allowing illegal immigrants of any race to be here. The ones I have dealt with do not work hard to make money for their families. They work hard to buy cars to drive around illegally without the proper training. Then they drive their cars to the liquor store already drunk to buy more beer. Do you think that is okay. I know I don't want them doing that, what if they hit you or possibly kill you. There was an incident a few months ago where two illegals were driving drunk down Cajalco and crashed head on into a vehicle with a family inside. They killed a mother, her daughter and her unborn child. That is totally unacceptable. I am not racist. My wife's grandmother is Hispanic. But she will agree with me and it bother's her just as much to see what illegal immigration is doing to this country. It is true that some Americans are lazy and do not want to do any hard labor, but that does not mean that we should just roll over and let the illegals do it. Our economy also suffers greatly because of the money not pay or earned in wages and taxes. Don't you think we could use some of those monies right now to help our economy... You also might want to take a look at local or Southern California law enforcement agencies websites. View their most wanted criminals page and you will see that most a good amount of the wanted persons are illegals. This is a problem, and it needs to be dealt with. I am all for people coming to our country to have a better life. But they must be legal and they must give back, and speak English. I can say that because I give back to the community and I have served and defended this country and our way of life.

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  48. Why is it that most racists always have to tell you that they aren't racist and that they all know someone of a different race, so that proves they aren't racist. Just wondering.

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  49. M@, the reason it is so hard to legally become a citizen, is that the lobbyists for businesses have pushed for years to lighten up, so as to flood the market with cheap labor. It of course worked, and now we all seem to blame the illegals, who are breaking the law, rather than the businesses who hire them, who are the bigger problem.

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  50. Ethan, I pretty much agree with what you said. I'm not really sure anyone is actually defending illegals more just the insulting verbage, ie, we should run them down, maybe out of town but not by car. I'm not sure why, but Romoland/Homeland is beehive of parolee's, ex prisioners, sexual offenders and gangland. I thought if an illegal was caught commiting a crime they served their sentence then were deported. Does anyone know the answer to that?

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  51. Per M@: "The sad fact is it's much easier to come in from another country on a visitor's visa (or other means) and just stay here. Sure, you'll be considered 'illegal' but eventually you can work up to legal status if you want to. Ergo, the system incentivizes illegal immigration."

    I agree that emigrating to the USA for residence is tough to do legally. But then again, the USA serves its citizens, not the citizens of other countries.

    The idea of "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses..." was fine when this nation was expanding rapidly. But I don't think we're at a point where we need more poor, tired, people.

    Should America continue the altruistic purpose of helping the people of other countries? Or should we focus on ourselves instead? That's a big question in the times we're facing today.

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  52. We have always been a country of immigrants, but that time has passed. It is time to restrict the flow of immigration and work to control the illegal immigration as it stands today. It will not happen entirely, nor will it occur overnight. It is a process that must take place. As a poster stated before, unless you can claim "native" heritage, then we all have come from another place. This poster claims to not speak in hyperbole, but their statement is nothing but. Weird when a "theory" is mistaken for history. Almost hyperbolic.

    "The problem with that Native American theory... they also came from somewhere else at some period of time. My heritage is typical of any other white person, but I was born here and so were my parents, grandparents, most of my great grandparents, and so on. The citizens of the US aren't on this land illegally, because our government said so. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater by speaking in hyperbole. It only clouds the real argument"

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  53. Its very disheartening to hear all of the racist, violent and ignorgant comments on this blog and to know that these peole live among me, perhaps my neighbors in Menifee. So sad to hear...I need to move!

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  54. Illegal alien, undocumented worker, immigrant, whatever you want to call them. Get them the hell out of the USA. I don't care where they came from, I just want them out. They are draining our economy(medical, social security, unemployement, healthcare). Our government needs to step up to the plate and take a stand.
    I don't care where you live it's the same feeling. I've lived in Hollywood, Santa Barbara, the OC and now here and the feeling is the same everywhere you go. Get them out and keep them out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  55. I don't think it will do you any good to move because your going to find that Americans are angry and feedup with the free loaders who invade this country. And for the Native American comment you should know your history that your people migrated to America from Asia during the ice age So if we followed your suggestions no one would be in the US. You know what folks CA is part of the US and that is the end of the story and we are a nation of laws. The laws are to protect Americans and it is high time they are enforced. If your here illegally in any shape or form its time to get them out before this economy is completely destroyed.

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  56. And for an interesting twist on this conversation...I just heard on the radio the radio the other day that there is a Mexican border town that is upset with all the Americans that are retiring and moving to their town!

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  57. Reading through this blog I’ve seen a variety of comments like: ignorance and insensitivity and, this land was Mexico and, HATE-MONGERING and, many illegal’s do the work "Real Americans" don't want to do. There have also been many varieties of solutions, such as deport them all run them out. And even snipe them at the border. People simplicity is the only way to solve a complex problem. Only three things need be done.

    1st overhaul the immigration system by allowing only a certain number into the country a year (I feel 150,000 is a fair number each year and additional 150,000 temp. and student visas each year.) with strict enforcement.

    2nd If you can not show that you are an American citizen then you will not receive any aid through social programs. (welfare, food stamps, housing, ECT.)

    3rd require that all business use the E-verify program to insure that every worker on their payroll is an American citizen. If the promise of a job is not there then it will be cheaper for them back in there own country.

    Three things that would have a dramatic affect. I’m sure there are people that can say “what about the people that are trying to provide for there families.” I was always taught ‘If you can’t afford to have a child don’t have a child.’ {Simple} There are also the people out there that will say “prices of American grown fruit and vegetables would sky rocket.” This is not fact. If the growers paid their employees an average of $14.00 an hour the price per head of lettuce would go up and average of ten cents. According to CNN, MSNBC and, The Wall Street Journal. Now that is ten cents I would be willing to pay.

    The United States is a nation of immigrants. Yes but a nation of legal immigrants. For centuries people have come to this great nation but they have cone legally. Yes it was much easer back then. Times have changed so must our understanding that at some point enough is enough.

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  58. This song by Woody Gutherie should remind us that when we talk about "illegals", we're talking about real, very real,people.

    The crops are all in and the peaches are rott'ning,
    The oranges piled in their creosote dumps;
    They're flying 'em back to the Mexican border
    To pay all their money to wade back again
    CHORUS:
    Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye, Rosalita,
    Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria;
    You won't have your names when you ride the big airplane,
    All they will call you will be "deportees"

    My father's own father, he waded that river,
    They took all the money he made in his life;
    My brothers and sisters come working the fruit trees,
    And they rode the truck till they took down and died.

    Some of us are illegal, and some are not wanted,
    Our work contract's out and we have to move on;
    Six hundred miles to that Mexican border,
    They chase us like outlaws, like rustlers, like thieves.

    We died in your hills, we died in your deserts,
    We died in your valleys and died on your plains.
    We died 'neath your trees and we died in your bushes,
    Both sides of the river, we died just the same.

    The sky plane caught fire over Los Gatos Canyon,
    A fireball of lightning, and shook all our hills,
    Who are all these friends, all scattered like dry leaves?
    The radio says, "They are just deportees"

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  59. To March 23, 2009 3:46 PM

    You are reciting song lyrics. Come on get real.

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  60. A word of advice to the individual who posted the following:


    "JUST A COMMENT TO "MENIFEE" TINA with the "Alcatraz" mindset: NOW have you done what you KNEW that stupid post would do? IF you're going to be a columnist, at least come up with some ORIGINAL community-building topic; NOT something that is worn to death and sets neighbors against neighbors? How's it feel to be one who stirs up HATE-MONGERING among us? SHAME ON YOU !! I really hope you live far away from any of these bloggers; don't forget(and don't rest easy): ANYONE who is a filled with hatred for ANYONE or ANYTHING is apt to turn on his own. Such hatred overtakes us and we loose site of its focus; killing everything in sight. Hope you sleep well tonight."

    As the husband of Menifee Tina and as a police officer, some of your comments come across as threats. Most concerning are:

    "I really hope you live far away from any of these bloggers; don't forget(and don't rest easy): and "Hope you sleep well tonight."

    It would be in your best interest to refrain from additional threatening comments. If you feel the need to continue, identify yourself and a Deputy and myself will be more than happy to contact you.
    The moderator of this site has also been contacted.

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  61. Agreed with the above. I'm not sure the intent of that person saying, "I hope you live far away...", but it does sound rather threatening.

    I typically delete comments that are personal attacks, or use foul language. I'm not sure if that original comment was a personal attack, but it does reek of immature character.

    Anyways, I don't want to get into the habit of deleting comments, so please everyone argue in a mature, adult-like manner.

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