What does it mean when you hear "Illegal"?

It has come to my attention that some of my neighbors are employing the day workers from the corner of Murrieta Road and Scott Road to do wo...

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It has come to my attention that some of my neighbors are employing the day workers from the corner of Murrieta Road and Scott Road to do work around their homes. Upon further discussion with my neighbors, it has become apparent that they are aware that many of these workers are undocumented and illegal aliens.

What does it mean to you when you hear "Illegal"?

To me, it means, "against the law". The individuals are here illegally, and are committing a crime by just being in this country. Employing them is another crime, and only condones and perpetuates this criminal behavior. Yet, it exists. Under our very noses, and we, as law-abiding citizens, turn away and pretend that we don't know our neighbors are committing a crime.

If your child came home with stolen property, would you allow them to keep it? Would you proudly display it in your front yard? I would think not; but many of you will employ an "illegal worker" to install your sprinkler system in your front yard.

Don't get me wrong. I am not lumping all people of any one race together. I am talking about the individuals who are here illegally being knowingly hired for work.

Wouldn't it be better for everyone, at least for the citizens of this country, if we paid a few dollars more and hired a legitimate citizen, or even, a licensed contractor? It would certainly help to stimulate our failing economy!

Remember, these individuals drain our State's resources dramatically. By providing them unreported employment income, you are enabling them to stay in this country longer to drain our ever diminishing resources. They don't pay taxes, at least Income taxes, as many of them like to argue, but never fail to know where to get a free handout from the State!

The next time you need the assistance of a police officer, think about how hard they work for all of us, and if you are helping to perpetuate a law-abiding society, or a law-breaking one, as well as thinking about whether this officer's pay was helped or harmed by the last person you hired.

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  1. we went by there about a day ago and the Menifee police plus several code enforcement officers were there. I agree with you..I have no problem with legal emigrants, we all came from somewhere else in our past.

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  2. Okay agree! Where do you find someone who does a great job. I have asked my neibors and they seem to have hired non-americans. Yikes,
    Trying to do the right thing.

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  3. We do not hire them. But when we when hired a "licensed contractor" who was an American citizen they had illegals doing the work! 500 went to the contractor and 150 went to the laborer who actually broke a sweat. I do not respect Americans that use illegals that way. Some people just do not want to work hard.

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  4. Ahhh, and there is the problem. Many illegals do the work "Real Americans" don't want to do.

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  5. Ms. Tina, Your Real Americans rather be on unemployment than get their hands dirty installing sprinklers! These poor "Illegals" come hear to try and earn a few bucks to feed their families. Don't you have anything better to do with yourself, than discriminate against others? Have a heart and get a life you racist .....!

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  6. This is simple and if I were president for just one day the first thing I would do is DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. This would solve about 80 to 90 percent of all the unemployement throughout the United States. It would also reduce the crime by over 60 percent.
    These are all valid numbers and the statistics speak for themselves.
    I am not being racist, I am being a realist.

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  7. Most of these comments and this article are all so short-sighted and point out the true problems with Menifee. Do you not think these 'illegal' workers would love to be legal citizens? Most of them would happily pay taxes if they could because that would give them status and security in the country. Have you ever lived in a place where you couldn't feed your children? Wouldn't you do all that you could to support them? And may I remind you, that unless you can boast Native American heritage, every single person in this country is an 'immigrant'. You just had the good fortune to have relatives that decided to make life better for their children earlier on when legislation in the US wasn't based on exclusion.

    And which one of you self-righteous Americans wants to go out and do manual labor of this kind? Deporting all illegal immigrants would be an absolute disaster. For one, the price would be astronomical and because you would be getting rid of a group of people willing to do menial jobs for not very much money, prices of American grown fruit and vegetables would sky rocket.

    The world would be a much nicer place if you would just have a little empathy for other groups of people...

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  8. As a retired 25 year veteran of Federal law enforcement, I find some of the comments on this topic interesting and egregious at the same time.
    First I encourage the poster calling people racist to look up the true definition of the word. It is being misused here. If you choose not to hire someone based on their illegal immigration status, you are not a racist. You are simply following the law. I encourage the same poster to look at an I9 form available from any employer in the United States. There you will find the laws pertaining to the hiring of individuals in this country.
    Secondly, this state among others holds amnesty days for individuals wishing to become documented. Is it an easy process? Not at all. Have thousands applied and become documented? Yes!
    My immigrant family came to this country many years ago. My great grandparents did not speak English, but had the desire to become American citizens. They did so legally, learned the language and help to build this great country. I am a product of this process and it ultimely inspired me to go into law enforcement. I did not read anywhere in the original post that undocumented individuals were either good or bad people, just that hiring them is illegal. That my friends is true. Whether it affects our economy one way or the other or there would be no one else to do "menial" labor, the fact of the matter is they are not here legally and hiring such individuals is a felony and Federal crime. The law is very specific and even providing food, shelter or transportation is a Federal crime. It falls under aiding and abetting.
    If you doubt the veracity of my comments, I encourage you to stop one of our new Menifee Police Officers and ask for they're opinion on the matter. Better yet, next time you are traveling to or from San Diego, stop by the Border Patrol check point and argue the point with them. Cheers!

    Jack Ferguson
    U.S. Marshals Service, RET.

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  9. ... Wouldn't it be better for everyone, at least for the citizens of this country, if we paid a few dollars more and hired a legitimate citizen, or even, a licensed contractor? It would certainly help to stimulate our failing economy!

    Remember, these individuals drain our State's resources dramatically. By providing them unreported employment income, you are enabling them to stay in this country longer to drain our ever diminishing resources. ...


    Most people care more about draining their personal bank accounts than doing what’s best for the state. Sorry, but it’s human nature. If a laborer who does equal work can be hired at a lower cost, people are going to do so unless a penalty exists.

    The ready and open availability of illegal labor and the fact that their employers aren’t sitting in jails tells me we aren’t really serious about enforcing the rules.

    Corporations have the luxury of moving operations out of the state/country to where the same jobs can be done at lower wages. People who live here have simply found a way to achieve a similar benefit.

    The income tax thing is not really a big issue. Their meager annual income is not likely to even reach the lowest rung of the ladder that would trigger taxation.

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  10. All right. I agree. Let's do it. Let's get rid of all illegals in order to save moeny. Let's do it right now. Let's not waste anymore time about it. Ok, first things first. We'll have to FIND all of the illegals. Hmm, that might be difficult but if we hired more police and put them in charge of nothing else, they could probably round them all up. Everybody knows where every illegal is, right? What? What is that? THERE MIGHT BE AS MANY AS 12 MILLION OF THEM? Dear God! That will cost a pretty penny! If it comes out that hunting illegals costs more than a few bucks per success story, that could be millions and millions of dollars spent on hunting them down. Oh well, no matter. The illegals must be kicked out. OK, we have rounded them all up. We've got 12 million illegals sitting in holding pens all over the United States. Damn, we need to build some more holding pens because we don't have a jail large enough to hold an extra 12 million people. Hmm, how do we get them back to their country? Fly them? Yeah, 12 million coach tickets would be a nice use of tax-payer dollars. Drive them? Sure, with gas at over $2.00 a gallon that would be very cost efficient. You could probably safely get 10 illegals into a van so you would only need to use 1.2 million vans to get them back where they came from. Not to mention the salaries of the illegal alien hunters, the detention camp guards, and the 1.2 million van drivers. But, after spending 100's of millions of dollars, we have them all kicked out. Well, we gotta keep them out. A wall! A border wall is the answer! Hmm, it's gotta be tall so they can't climb over it. It's also gotta be thick so they can't drill through it. Don't forget to make it deep in the Earth so they cannot tunnel under it. So how much would it cost to pay tens of thousands of workers to use millions of dollars worth of supplies to build a 15 feet tall, 3 feet thick, 10 feet deep, 1,969 mile long, concrete wall? Keep in mind that this is nearly 780 million cubic feet of concrete structure (with thousands of miles of rebar reinforcing it) Would that be a satisfactory use of tax payer dollars? Yes yes. We must do all of this in order to save some money.

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  11. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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  12. Tina's input should be treated like any "letter to the editor" instead of an informative or newsworthy article. Shame on all of us for wanting the illegals to be penalized. Who do we think we are that we aren't able to just thank God we have never had to 'sneak and hide' just to try to live in a better place? Is seeing illegals trying to find a days work enough to send us off the deep end? Have mercy! What's on your table tonight...steak and potatoes? How about the featherbed you're going to rest on? get a life!

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  13. Tina has a right to her opinion but I disagree with it and I'm disappointed to know she feels that way. I have alot more respect for someone who wants to work and will do whatever he can to support his family rather than sit on his butt collecting unemployment and food stamps. To the "Realist's" post. You have the statistics incorrect, check it out on google, not even close to 60%. Thank god you'll never be president. Illegal's are not the problem with the ecomony or unemployment. Mr Bush put us in this mess, not a few hispanics on a street corner. Tina, are you suggesting if we suspect our neighbor is using an illegal that we call the police to report them? Just curious.

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  14. Tina, times are tough. Save some money, hire a wetback.

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  15. Do not hold or jail any illegal. Deport them back to their countries they are citizens in. Bill the countries for any costs involved.
    As for our border, post snipers all over the place and shoot anyone trying to cross into our country illegaly. Problem solved!

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  16. If you are not here legally (citizen, green card, visa, whatever) get out of the USA.
    It's so sad that big companies actually hire people and bring them over from other countries to fill positions that US citizens could easily fill. This practice needs to be stopped.

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  17. Shoot the white trash that hire the illegals as well!! Deport the wetbacks back to Mexico with a bag of white trash strapped to their backs. We're in this mess because of what we did as Americans. We let them cross our borders and do nothing about it. People employ them and no one does anything about. And we get on blogs and tell others we should protect them. This is why they are here, and this is why they do not learn to speak english or become legal citizens or change their behavior. Because we make it easy for them!!If times are tough, hire an American to do the job so he/she can feed their families. What is this world coming to? I for one am going to move to where there are no illegals. I'm moving to Mexico!!

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  18. I just woke up from my feather bed and decided to get some huevos rancheros for breakfast. On my way, I hit an illeagal. Should I report it? They're here illegally and no one will miss them, well except for the people who hire them. Technically they don't count for anything and another will just come in his place soon. I think I will leave him there. Monday is street sweeper day! GO MINUTEMEN!!!

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  19. Are you kidding. Wetback? Run them down? Who is the white trash here. Probably a Ann Coulter lover too. Please, get the heck out of Menifee. What a donkey.

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  20. I live next to you. I will not leave Menifee and in fact I will be bringing my donkey over later to visit you. I've painted stripes on him to look like a zebra. For 5 pesos you can wear a sombrero and have your picture taken. Welcome to Amexica!!

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  21. That's hysterical. Only a donkey would paint a donkey. Thanks for the funny posts.

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  22. Can't we all just get along?!!! :)

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  23. We run a small business and are not adverse to labor, our sons aren't either..we've raised them to be good citizens and have excellent work ethics...check the other Menifee 911 site for other small businesses...if you want to do the right thing...

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  24. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal agency responsible for investigating illegal hirings, has stepped up its enforcement of the employer sanctions law in the past year, leading to a dozen major busts. Currently, fines range from $2,000 to $10,000 depending on the offense. The agency says some penalties could include at least six months in jail.

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  25. Who do I think I am? I am a U.S. Citizen who is fed up with all the bleeding hearts who cut down there fellow Americans as racist, low life's who collect food stamps and unemployment and praise law breaking illegal aliens who steal into our country reaping the benifits of free health care, food stamps, welfare, and commit idenity theift along with murder and rape. What the hell is wrong with you people? Millions of Americans are out of work, and millions of illegals are still working in our country. Am I angry you bet I am because Americans are unable to feed there faimilies,families in this country are homeless yet the illegals get housing and no questions asked. you bet I say ship them back and no tears shed for a race of people who do not want to be part of this country but only want how much they can take from this country and its people. And as far as not able to find these people thats a bunch of crap. They march in our streets and the Government knows that we have over 12 million illegal aliens in this country. They rounded up all the Japanise in this country during world war II even the ones that were American citizens (born Here)and put them on buses and imprisoned them in camps for over 4 years. If the US could do it once they could do it again. I know a bunch of true patriots who are willing to drive the bus to take them out of this country for good.

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  26. Who do I think you are? A racist, paranoid, and a hate monger. FYI, I not a liberal bleeding heart. I am a independant who see the good and bad on boths sides of the spectrum. I am not for letting one more illegal into our country. But I am not in favor of degrading, or running them down by automobile as previouly suggested. Yes, we need to have a plan to get them back to their country but not by killing them off. Lighten up

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  27. To semi quote Jack Nicholson,
    "Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don't want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"
    GO MINUTEMEN!!! GO BORDER PATROL!!!

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  28. If anyone saw president Obama at the OC fairgrounds last week he spoke about immigration. He is in the process of booting out the illegals and it will only take time.
    We have had 2 presidents in the last 100 years that have ordered the deportation of all illegals in this country. I don't remember which presidents they were, but I know this did in fact happen. One of the times the specific reason was for legal american citizens to have employment.
    I can't wait for this to happen, if it actuall does. If it does, we will see an immediate decrease in unemployment.

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  29. Here we go again with the bleeding hearts calling true blue Americans racist for wanting to get rid of the garbage that brakes into this country then marchs in the streets bragging they are here illegaly and giving the finger to the laws of the US and carry Mexican flags to show they are loyal to their country not the US. Where do any of you get off calling someone else on this blog (White Trash) talk about racist that is one of the most racist statements anyone can make. and how the hell do you know the person is white. You racist pig. Why cut down Ann Coulter for speaking her mind. Which is something I doubt the donkey who wrote that statement has or even read her view point and if he/she did it is more then likely someone who has no loyalty to the US and its laws. Its ok for illegals to break the law,not pay tax but put the American in jail who fails to pay his tax. Its ok for the illegal to steal an americans ID but the American who does it goes to jail for a feloney. Its ok for the illegal alien to bring drugs into our country cause they want a better life for thier kids and kill americans with their drugs,cause they are just trying to make a living off the dead lives of Americans. Its ok to put two border patrol agents in prison for trying to protect our borders from a known drug dealer cause he is an illegal alien trying t support his family. Well my friend that is just what you are saying because they are all illegal and are stealing from this country with the aid of bleeding hearts like you. So I say increase the ICE raids and get the illegal aliens out of my Country. And you know what I don't give a dam if you call me racist or not I know I am a true blue American Citizen and will continue the fight to get all of the illegal aliens out of my country.

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  30. Quoting Jack Nichelson, Hmmm... I seem to recall he went to jail for his evil actions. LOL

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  31. Is Juan,
    I no go home now because whitey keep paying me to work. He pay me good so I send money home to my family. I no day off in months! Thank you to Gov. Arnold for giving me healthcare, teaching my kids for free and putting ATM's in Espanol. America been very, very good to me!

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  32. When you are in Mexico, are you treated fairly if the police stop you, or if you get into an accident? NO!! You most likely will end up in prison. I suggest everyone of you that have a bleeding heart for illegals, get a job at a grocery store. You will see just how much the government gives in food stamps, wic and welfare checks. The majority of illegals send their money to their families in Mexico. Women come across the border to have their children so that they will be citizens and get state aide.
    Obviously, they come here for a job and a better life, but why can't they do it the right way. Why is it that they fly mexican flags instead of american flags?
    Why don't they speak in English?
    I don't understand why all americans of every race, are not outraged by this. People with these views are not racists. Like me, they are tired of our countries resources being swallowed up by individuals who contribute nothing in return. Except manual labor. Thats America's problem, all the fat lazy people can't do their own yard work.
    By the way, the guys on the corner are not that cheap. Do the work yourself, or hire a contractor.

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  33. I'm speechless at the ignorance and insensitivity displayed by some of the people who have posted in this discussion. While I agree that illegal immigration is a drain on our society, the amount of raw hate and lack of respect for humans baffles me. Perhaps when our society can mature enough to have a conversation about this topic without racial slurs, hasty generalizations and shortsighted conclusions, we can begin figuring out how to make our country the beacon it once was. Change starts with every person individually. Perhaps if more people realized that we could all find some better solutions than we have now.

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  34. People may be undocumented citizens- but are not Illegal. That term is derogatory.

    The US took the land from Mexico in 1848 using the Treaty of Hidalgo Guadalupe. This land was Mexico- now we call their descendants "illegal". This would be the equivalent of me stealing your home and then when you try to move back in, I call you illegal.

    For those Christians out there, of which I am one, what does our Bible have to say about immigrants?

    Exodus 22:21, "You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt."

    Leviticus 19:34 "The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God."

    From the New Testament Letter to the Hebrews we hear, "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing so some have entertained angels unawares."

    Quit being haters! You can't pick and chose scripture that conforms to your life. Be consistent.

    Further, is anyone upset at the employers who hire undocumented immigrants? The employers save on taxes. If there were no jobs available to them, usually offered by Republican businessmen, then they would not be here. The fact is that a lot of people are now going back to Mexico since the economy is so bad here.

    Further, George Bush wanted to merge the US with Canada and Mexico to form the North American Union... here is the link if you don't believe me. That is why he was never tough on immigrants.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

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  35. Is Juan again,
    I no follow the laws because I no read english. I no follow the Bible because it no contain laws!
    Laws are for law abiding citizens. I no citizen.
    Thank you Gov. Arnold for letting me live in big house with my 19 relatives!

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  36. The United States is a nation of immigrants from all over the world. The resulting ethnic mosaic goes a long way toward explaining our greatness as a nation. Immigration has always been a blessing for us, and it still is. But yesteryear's immigration and today's differ in several important respects. For the most part, yesteryear's immigrants came here legally. Because there was no welfare state, we were guaranteed that they'd work as opposed to living off the rest of us. Furthermore, they sought to assimilate and adopt our culture and become Americans. That's not so true today, where Hispanic activists seek to impose their language and culture on the rest of us. At some public schools, they've raised the Mexico flag atop the U.S. flag. They've announced that they seek to take back parts of the U.S. that were formerly Mexico.

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  37. I agree wholeheartedly ... we need to station ARMED TROOPS at the border. It's more than just a coincidence that right after we went to war in Iraq and our troops were deployed that this illegal infestation
    from Mexico really began in earnest. They KNEW our troops were deployed overseas, they KNEW that the border
    would be porous, and they KNEW exactly how to exploit its weaknesses. This is an invasion. There can be no doubt about it. Refusal to learn/speak english, refusal to assimilate, refusal to acknowledge or obey the laws the rest of us
    are governed by. It is a Coup 'd Etat by Mexico without a shot being fired. Their weapons? The National Council of La Raza. MEChA, MALDEFF, LULAC, hundreds of thousands of "Anchors" born here. This pitiful government needs to get its act together, clamp down the border and begin Operation WB2 and send them back to Mexico, Honduras, El Salvadore, Guatemala, etc. They need to go. This nations resources are not infinate. Our eco systems are being
    trashed and destroyed, yet you'll never hear about it from the tree huggers who have their own agenda. NO nation can be expected to absorb the hoardes of illegals that we are expected to coddle and welcome. We're too crowded
    as it is, and our resources are drying up. It's gonna get worse if the people or the government sworn to protect this nation and her people don't wake up and open their eyes and DO SOMETHING! If I wanted to live in Mexico, I'd MOVE to Mexico. I don't wish to live in Mexico. I don;t need to. All I have to do is look out my window, and I could swear I'm
    in some Mexican Barrio.

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  38. There's absolutely no reason for a "study" or a "debate" on this illegal immigration mess. Overstayed your visa? Hired a Coyote to smuggle you and your family here? Sneak across the border? That means you are here illegally.
    You need to go. Now. There. End of debate. End of study.

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  39. And you just KNOW that there are COUNTLESS MCDONALDS franchises across the nation doing the
    same damned thing. Got tired of nobody speaking english, orders ALWAYS getting screwed up, and taking forever. Nope. Enough. In fact, It's not just Mc Donalds - it's every single burger joint/fast fod joint. Arbys, Subway, McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, JackIn The Box , etc...it's the same. High school kids
    can't find work in these joints during the summer and after school as they used to (Its how I earned money in High School) because these illegals have taken these minimum wage jobs and actually turned flipping burgers and
    salting fries into careers, and the franchise owners just LOVE IT! They need to check every single fast food franchise, boot the illegals and make room for our own kids who would love to pick up a few extra bucks.

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