Shut Down the MSJC Police Department

With our state in ever-increasing debt, which you can argue is putting pressure on K-14 district budgets, maybe it's time to shut down t...

With our state in ever-increasing debt, which you can argue is putting pressure on K-14 district budgets, maybe it's time to shut down the MSJC Police, and convert it into a campus security unit.

City of Menifee now has its own police force.

Perhaps MSJC Board of Trustees can send a letter to Ahnold that money is being wasted here.

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  1. I'm sorta lost here. I thought the MSJC 'are' only for campus security. Does the county or Menifee City pay them anything? The college pays them to protect their campus, but for far too long the rest of us in the area have been exposed to their 'Barney-Fife' ways on streets OFF campus. Their reputation is an embarrasment to MSJC, much less having them considered as a valid force off campus. With their tarnished image, which continues to rot their existence, MSJC Board needs to be ashamed...unless they too are of the same caliber. BOTTOM LINE: The citizens couldn't agree with you more Steve.

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  2. Not only should the police department be shut down, an independent law enforcement agency needs to investigate the Board of Trustee and the police department leadership. Not sure is you have seen this website, amazing stuff.


    www.msjcpdlawsuit.com

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  3. Steve...Why did you open this can of worms? You know that there is a lawsuit pending and this will only fan the fire!

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  4. This is a dead horse....

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  5. I think the lawsuit speaks for itself. This money pit of a police department must go. Thanks for keeping us informed Steve, I had no clue what was going on at the college. Very eye opening.

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  6. what area do they cover besides the college?

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  7. This is an excellent point, Steve. Converting to campus security or contracting with the Sheriff's dept for police services are two options that would save the district money.

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  8. I couldn't agree more. I am sick and tired of hearing about how this department has cast a bad light on law enforcment. We have a new city and a new, stronger, presence from the sheriff's department. Steve is roght, save evryone money and close this place down.

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  9. the only people who do not think the services of MSJC police to the city of menifee are embarASSing are the MSJC cookie cops!

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  10. Steve, I for one commend you for finally bringing this tragic, albeit compelling, story to your readers. The thing that really concerns me most is the fact that Chief Kevin Segawa, unlike other public officials in the past, has never publically denied any of the allegations made against him and his department.

    I recognize that he is not a (former) Sheriff Corona, but any reasonable and prudent person would have asked the Press Enterprise or Valley News or you for an interview where he could state his position. The suspicious thing is that he is hiding behind the "there is a lawsuit pending" or "there is an internal investigation pending" veil of secrecy. As I'm sure most would agree, someone who has nothing to hide and was being accused of such reprehensible acts would stand up and fight.

    I wonder where this "pending investigation" was when his corporal was (allegedly) having sex on duty and threatening his subordinates. I wonder where the "pending investigation" was when one of his officers (allegedly) attacked another officer and then the victim officer was later fired.

    I have followed this story from the beginning, Steve, and agree with the general consensus: CLOSE MSJC PD. I do, however, have one other recommendation: have a federal agency do an audit of Kevin Segawa and the MSJC PD. I shudder to think what will be discovered, Steve. But my gut instincts tells me that something is coming and it’s not good for Kevin Segawa, the MSJC and the reputation of the higher ups at the college (the BOT, HR and college President Roger Shultz).

    What some of your posters are failing to understand, Steve, is that regardless of the fact that the MSJC “Police Officers” are only security guards, they violated the public / student trust. We entrust the safety of our sons and daughters to them each and every time they attend a class at the MSJC. So to downplay the seriousness of the allegations simply because these guys/gals are not real cops is not only foolish, but irresponsible.

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  11. Anonymous February 15, 2009 8:37 PM.
    How dare you blame Steve for "opening this can of worms" and pointing a finger at him. Shame on you.
    Steve is absolutely right on this one, we as taxpayers in the city, should not be paying for this department even without lawsuit that you mention.
    The city has the Sheriff's department now.

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  12. Steve or anyone in the know, all I can say is OMG! I live in the Lakes and would see the MSJC cops in my area. I really did not think much of it as we really are not that far from the campus.

    After reading the lawsuit website I am really disgusted as to whats going on over there. I also had no idea there were so many problems with such a tiny police department.

    After reading what the police chief did to the employee he arrested I started to cry. These things are not supposed to happen! I noticed on the web site the college has not requested any outside police agency to investigate. Does anyone on here know why?

    I love this site Steve, you bring so many things to the public eye that many of us here in Menifee never hear about. None of my neighbors knew, they do know, and many of them are know viewing this site! Keep up the good work!

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  13. This is a great idea, Those officers have pulled some stupid stuff over the past few years. They dont even pay attention to their own campus. When I attended MSJC i park on campus without a parking pass because I knew they never check (had some insight that they check once a semester) and they are to busy harassing the neighborhood. Like telling my sister her lights on her car were not on... at 5pm when the sun was still in the sky...

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  14. Time for a Change, MSJC Yahoo Police department do not handle violations on the campus, where campus police would be foot and patrol soldiers. More visible other riding around Menifee in their new cars. I saw a MSJC PD in the old Target Parking lot at Christmas with 3 guys sitting on the curb and he was searching their car...The school was closed. Why in the hell is over there..Get rid of wasteful spending we are paying for a Police Department in Menifee..The school can ease tuition by sending Barney and Friends down the road. Thanks Steve it was timely and appreciated.

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  15. Here is a question to all of you. Why are you refusing additional police services? True MSJC does not respond to 911 calls in Menifee, but if they are patrolling an "area" does it not make it safer?

    Maybe the dept. needs serious restructure not elimination. How many of you would be irritated if RSO was busy on a "routine" call and could not respond as timely? I say restructure and allow them to patrol the campus and surrounding area. If done correctly it benefits all who live in that part of Menifee.

    Maybe efforts to correct this should be redirected to the MSJC Board staff in San Jacinto. Hey the city of Menifee could lead that charge.

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  16. A restructure may not be a bad idea as the more police presence the better. But looking at the lawsuit website and now seeing whats going on, I do not want those officers patrolling my neighborhood. What that police chief has done is disgusting and he should not be in any power position within this city or any other.

    If the college cops are really costing the district one million dollars, it needs to closed. Students would be much better served with that money going to classes and buildings. How much is this lawsuit going to cost the college and really the local taxpayers like you and me? If there was one plaintiff I could see this lawsuit being retaliation. But with four plaintiffs there has to be somthing to this and its surely going to cost a lot of money even to defend it.

    I was in a car accident a few months ago and I could not find an attorney to take me as a client on a contingency. They wanted money up front, which I did not have, and I thought I had a good case. I would like to know if these former cops are paying their attorney or if the lawyer took the case with no upfront money. This would be a great indication of how strong a case they really have.

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  17. First of all, I agree. They shouldn't be there. They're a bunch of power hungry idiots who love to pull over anybody they can just for their own entertainment. Any of them I've dealt with, never resulting in any tickets - it was always a bullshit reason as to why me or any of my friends were pulled over - are pricks.

    However, last time I checked, they aren't just MSJC police. Most colleges who have actual police departments, are state cops. State cops have a specific jurisdiction - the entire state of California. Unlike a 'specified county' Sheriff's department, or 'specified city' police department, they can pull over/ticket anybody in the entire state, not just on/around campus.

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  18. POST certification is valid in all of CA. Jurisdiction is not what you think.

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  19. This is a STUPID thread while a legal filing is being pursued.

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  20. I am not sure how this is a STUPID thread. The citizens of Menifee should have a say in how their tax money is spent. This website has nothing to do with the lawsuit so bringing to light the fact the college is wasting a bunch of money is not STUPID.

    Thanks again Steve for keeping all of us informed, I was outraged when I read how my money is being spent.

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  21. I posted this article under the context of California having such severe budget problems, that it's causing our schools and colleges to suffer.

    I'm sure the governor has looked at college police departments all over the State, but I don't know if he's aware that those of us in Menifee don't need the MSJC Police anymore.

    Maybe someone at the governor's office should look at the campus police departments of all state colleges and decide if they truly are necessary, or if the city police/county sheriff is sufficient.

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  22. To: Anonymous, at February 16, 2009 2:00 PM,

    All POST certified law enforcement agencies have jurisdiction in the entire state of California. This means Sheriff's, local police, colleges and all other schools.

    That means they have the authority to enforce the law anywhere.

    So, the scary part is, even though there are serious allegations pending, they are still allowed to patrol and work in the entire state of California.

    That is why this is a relevant and important discussion.

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  23. First, I want to say that the people who say that this is a ridiculous thread should stop coming to this site. Obviously you don't care about Menifee.

    Next, this "rent a cop" agency needs to be shut down, not restructured... SHUT DOWN!!!! These police officers have no morals and can't be trusted with the people of Menifee! We deserve better! Look what they did to that poor lady. That could be any one of us! They are not protecting any of us! Restructuring should not be an option either. The corruption at MSJC is part of the problem!!! There is NOTHING good about keeping this agency intacted. The bottom line is we are paying for the services of these crooks!

    Lastly, we as a community should be protesting the fact that this is going on! THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!We should all meet at Wheatfield Park, call the news and protest this mess!!!

    WE NEED TO SPEAK UP AS A COMMUNITY AND LET THESE GUYS KNOW THAT WE WON'T PUT UP WITH THIS CRAP!!!

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  24. As with the thousand-post-threads on Menifee Live and other sites that were shut down, the issue of whether MSJC has a PD or not is not really a 'community issue'. It is an internal personnel and organizational decision by MSJC...not yours!

    The jurisdiction of the campus police is 'on campus'. They extend their patrol perimeter by one mile to create a 'safe zone' around the campus. They work in cooperation with Menifee PD (formerly Sheriff's Department). This is all legal and in accordance with California laws.

    I am an advocate for the MSCJC PD and I hope they remain in place for the safety and security of the campus and the communities that surround the campus. I also cannot wait for the day when that department is completely exonerated by the lame legal filing that is hanging over their heads like a dark cloud.

    As evidenced by yet another string of posts that are starting to get out of hand (just like on others sites), it is my fond hope that the MSJC PD and it's current officers be found not guilty of any wrongdoing.

    Only then will these short sighted, uninformed and lame postings by former officers, friends of former officers and family of former officers stop.

    Get over it.... your were FIRED during your probabtionary periods! Letting you go during a probationary period is a managerial right and can be done without justification, provocation or cause of any kind.

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  25. To the poster 2/16 at 8:45. Very well said. I am amazed that people here are doing the same thing you all state MSJC PD is doing. You all are making judgement and harassing individuals of this department on websites like this.

    I thought our justice system is made up of a innocent until proven guilty concept? What happened to that? Did it go away because we are a city?

    If the allegations are proven true in a court of law not the Menifee Kangaroo Court then yes something needs to be done. But let the process play out first, then complain if nothing is done.

    I neither support or dis-approve of the MSJC PD and will not until the case is final.

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  26. I am not a former officer or a friend. Maybe you are... you come on this site as anonymous instead of posting your name.

    This is actually the first that I have heard of this issue and it really bothers me! I also looked at all of the information regarding the allegations on another website and it is just wrong! How about addressing the issues vs. being defensive and thinking that the people on here are former officers. We are CONCERNED Menifee residents! These are SERIOUS issues that deserve answers!!!

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  27. I would be willing to betthat the 8:45 pm poster was someone from the msjc police department.

    what a joke.

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  28. I also went to the www.msjcpdlawsuit.com web page.I have to say I am in awe and find it hard to believe the college needs to spend one million of our tax dollars to operate such a small police department.

    What really has me fuming is reading how the police chief offered an officer a new police motorcycle if he impounded 100 cars! I had my vehicle towed by the MSJC cops for expired registration and now I find out the officers were having some sort of contest!!!!!!! What was second place a set of steak knives! What the heck is going on over there!

    Then I read about an employee getting arrested and forced to resign or be taken to jail! This could have been any of us! So if the campus cops dont get what they want they threaten you with jail? There has to be some law against that!

    I hope someone is looking into this place. I am sure we the tax payers are going to be the ones who get screwed though.

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  29. to Anonymous, at February 16, 2009 8:45 PM

    The MSJC police by and large have to exercise reasonable judgment by treating every person they encounter as a criminal. Innocent until proven guilty never crosses their minds when they strongarm the people of this city under the guise of legal technicality or petty crimes.

    Likewise, expect no such courtesies from the people as they rise up against your tyranny and misconduct.

    Throw them all out!

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