MSJC Police Costs $1 Million Last Year

Ann Motte, one of the elected College Board of Trustees with Mt San Jacinto College, posted the cost of the MSJC Police for this past fiscal...

Ann Motte, one of the elected College Board of Trustees with Mt San Jacinto College, posted the cost of the MSJC Police for this past fiscal year (July 2007 to July 2008) on her blog...

She also posted it as a comment on this blog, and you can read the comments of others in response... msjc-teacher-speaks-out-about-campus.htm#c4758259415227372454

Here's what she said...
The requested information for the 07/08 PD Budget/Actual was received as a two page document in my mailbox over the weekend.

The PD budget for this period inclusive (salary, benefits, OT, equipment, contracts, uniforms, fuel, office, conference, telephone, maintenance/repairs, recruitment, xerox leases, misc.) was $1,072,831.31.

The actual expense for 07/01/07 through 07/08/08 was $920,082.74 with $723,094 for salaries/benefits.

The department consists of 7 safety officers, 7 police officers, 1 clerk, 1 secretary, 5 student workers, and 2 substitutes.

The MSJC PD patrols approximately 150 total acres in owned campus properties or about 1/4 square mile inclusive. One square mile = 640 acres.
I'm not an expert on what adequate law enforcement should cost per square mile (or in this case 1/4 mile). Perhaps someone else can chime in on that.

But it seems like a campus security (not a police department), that stays on campus, would be more cost effective. They wouldn't have to drive patrol cars. The money saved, could be used to hire more teachers and offer new courses.

Let the new city deal with policing the neighborhood.

More depressing, is that based on Ann's comments, it sounds like the political climate of MSJC is such that no other trustee, or college administration, seems willing to question this, or even touch it.


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  1. You really need to get over yourself. The area is growing and the police play in integral part in helping the surrounding community. Just the other day I saw them helping a man that had been hit by a vehicle on Newport Road over by lindenberger. Do you not want them to do this? How much money do they bring in through tickets? How many instances of problems have there been on the growing Menifee MSJC Campus? I know as an employeee of the college when I needed their help because a student had a knife on campus they were there taking care of the problem immediately! Would you have like the student body to wait a half hour till the sheriff showed up and have somebody stabbed? Get off your damn soapbox and pull your head out of where the sun don't shine. You and Anne don't like it tell her to step down in protest (make way for somebody who actually wants to do something right with the college instead of her own agenda) and you don't go over there and make sure those cops don't show up to your house if you need them. I am so sick of everybody complaining about the police, they are there to do a job and they do a fine job of it, they protect the college and surrounding community.

  2. The cost of the MSJC Police is sooo worth it!!

    If you counted the per capita student and worker population on campus rather than the size of the land area it makes total sense. There are thousands of extra people coming and going throughout Menifee because of the College. They come from all over So Cal because students can grab classes at MSJC when not available at their local community college.

    My husband is a Probation Officer and the MSJC Police arrested one of the sex offenders he supervises on the campus. He was really impressed with the professionalism and quick action. If they were just security officers would they still have access to the police data bases when they pull someone over..would they have known the sex offender was in probation violation? I don't think so.

    Menifee is becoming a hub for the area and as such has all kinds of crime happening. The college is not an island, but part of the community. We are lucky that MSJC has a police force as we only have the sheriff to patrol our area.

    Perhaps you should compare with other community colleges policing costs before whining.

    This is a link to Police at Saddleback Community College in OC.

    Here's a link to list of all the community colleges. Perhaps you and Ann could do a comprehensive review to compare what other colleges are paying for their campus police. Instead of attacking the fine police officers at MSJC!!

    The main CC link is:

    We are getting a real DEAL.

  3. FYI - Riverside Community College has 33 sworn officers, inluding a Gang unit, Chaffey College has 20 officers. Palomar College has a Police Academy in addition to their Campus Police department.

    MSCJ has how many officers? What's the ratio of student and faculity to officers?

  4. What am I missing here? Are you, Steve, and this blogger, complaining about having extra law enforcement in our area??!! You must be kidding -- we'll take all we can get.

    Did you or this blogger receive a traffic ticket or something from these guys, so now you don't like to have these extra law enforcement officers around?

    It's my understanding that as of a year ago, the RSO had 1 officer to cover 42.5 square miles in our area. Clearly, that is not enough and any supplemental help we can get is much appreciated by law-abiding citizens.

    Thank you MSJC and thank you MSJC PD. We appreciate having you around.

  5. Why should MSJC divert educational resources to protect the "surrounding community"? Nobody has yet explained why the students are safer because the officers are off campus. What happens to response time when the officers are miles away?

    And if you are going to compare Community College PDs, be sure to include the ones that have no PD.

    Why cant they just pay for a sherrif to be on campus, or an officer from the new Menifee PD?

  6. Nobody would complain about having extra police, no more than somebody complaining about extra class sections. RSO would never pay for an extra teacher, because it would dilute their mission and the citizens would object. Why is general law enforcement off campus the mission of the College, a College that is underserving a rapidily growing population?

    MSJC ranks 69 out of 71 districts in participation rates. That's the fall enrollment divided by the adult population of the district.

    That's a real problem, that deserves an emergency response. A review of programs and services at MSJC is needed because they are failing the most important metric there is for serving students.

  7. It is evident the MSJC officers are posting. What people are complaining about is the fact that $1 million dollars a year is being wasted. We have out children going to school in modular buildings and do not have enough full time faculty. Instructors come and go at MSJC. This is why I have my daughter drive to Palomar. We can cut this cost by 2/3's if the police department was abolished and security replaced it.

    In addition, the PD at the college is over stepping their bounds. The are CAMPUS police! Stay on campus! Lock doors, make sure cars do not get broken into, deter drug activity ON CAMPUS!

    This crew is like the bad news bears of law enforcement. They are obviously getting their direction from the top, the Chief of police. If the Chief is directing his or her people to venture so far away from the campus maybe the Chief needs to be replaced and get someone in their that is more concerned with the CAMPUS!


  8. $1 million is cheap relative to a potential lawsuit for not adequately protecting the students and surrounding community. The community pays for this "community" college. I think it's great that they have stepped in to help us out with our community's desperate need for law enforcement.

    There are over 20 people involved in this organization. The fact they can do this for around $1 million is pretty good.

    I for one say, "Thanks MSJPD!" I appreciate the service you are providing our community.

    This topic is old and frankly was never that fresh. Can we leave it alone?

  9. No, it should not be left alone. A cost comparision study should be done. The ditrict should invetigate how much the the county would charge to provide deputies on campus. I would bet it would be much cheaper.

    If liability is going to be brought up think of the liability the district will have when one of these officers gets involved in a shooting or something. As one poster stated earlier, the college PD is full of re-tread officers or rejects. Not exactly the best decision makers.

    Let the costs speak for themselves. If the county is cheaper this option should be investigated.

  10. I am glad that the MSJC police department polices the surrounding community. Many students and people from surrounding communities come to Menifee because of the college. This outsider traffic is often problematic, and the cost of these extra students/drivers in the area should not be shouldered by the residents of Menifee. I appreciate the college shouldering this financial burden that it creates by bringing in outside traffic. It is such a temptation for students late to class to speed past Bell Mountain Middle School, creating unsafe road conditions for the younger Menifee students who walk to school. Antelope Road also gets its share of speeding students. -Just a side note, I received a ticket recently for speeding on Antelope, while going to pick up a sick child from school. I didn't realize I was speeding; it is easy to do when you are in a hurry. I thanked the officer, because I knew that I deserved it. Just knowing the cops are out there is a big incentive for me to slow down. Lets keep the MSJC police department intact.
    Diane Draper

  11. $1,000,000 Not bad, what is bad was giving the past president $450,000 for not working there anymore. That was a waste and part of Ann's watch. But that's OK when you have a bunch of kool aid drinkers on the board.

  12. Ann voted against the buy-out. Get your facts straight and try to stay on topic. You must have a very short attention span.

  13. It's interesting that Steve mentioned patrol cars in the original post. Included in the PD expenditures is $33,597.26 for a new Charger and $55,907.77 for the chief's new Tahoe. Do the vehicles justify off campus patrols or do off campus patrols justify the vehicles?

    After we are tortured by the circular logic perhaps the PD can explain why the students are safer when their off campus.

  14. "Why should MSJC divert educational resources to protect the surrounding community?"

    This person hit the nail on the head.

  15. Dear Anonymous Cowards,

    Clearly Menifee has a need for adequate policing. As a new and growing city, it is important to curtail illegal activity in our community. Crime breeds crime, and nobody will argue that we do not want gangs, drug trafficking, vandalism, domestic violence, rape, or murder in our community. As a city, Menifee should surely address these issues.

    The problem lies with the misappropriation of educational funds for the cause of employing LEOs in the MSJC Police Dept. Like any sworn officer in the state, their authority is valid wherever its use is required. However, using the MSJCPD and funds from the DOE to police the community as a policy is clearly backwards. Arguments about the fitness of MSJCPD LEO's aside, the fact is that such a department's jurisdiction should lie mainly on the MSJC campuses and secondarily in the surrounding community. The expense of vehicles to patrol the extended area, responding to calls from neighboring PD's, while helpful to the area, comes at the cost of diminished capacity for education by MSJC.

    It's obvious some MSJC LEO's are posting in these threads with extremely biased views. However, others are responsible for polarizing on the other extreme of the argument. This is not an all-or-nothing issue. MSJC is a part of the Menifee Community, and it should be a safe place for learning, like any school. The question we should answer is, if MSJCPD is going to operate outside of the campus, how will it operate? Are they effective making traffic stops, or are their limited resources better used in responding to calls that the RSO may have on lower priority? Are high-cost, high-performance vehicles necessary, or would bicycles, Segways, or golf carts be as effective?

    I have not had any personal interaction with any MSJCPD LEO. However, I've seen them in action. I've seen their vehicles. I've seen them along Antelope Rd. conducting searches on vehicles. Do they do a good for the community? Like any law enforcement does, yes. Do the citizens of Menifee appreciate the work they do? For the most part, yes. Is their presence and practice appropriate? It's questionable.

    For example, I've never witnessed an MSJCPD traffic stop in progress where the vehicle's operator was not sitting on the curb while the vehicle was being searched. Is this a prudent use of Law Enforcement? Some would argue the end justifies the means. The end is that they catch the bad guy. So is it worth hassling the good guys in order to justify the action? Would you, a law abiding citizen, be happy cuffed and sitting on the curb while the MSJC PD searches your vehicle? Is giving up a little bit of your liberty an acceptable cost for safety?

    When I needed to call 911 from my home because I heard violence coming from a neighbor's home, it was not the MSJCPD who responded to my call. Were they too busy conducting a traffic stop and roadside search to respond to a real issue of safety?

    Benjamin Franklin is known to have said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    We live in a society that is constantly giving up liberties for safety. The last time I flew in an airplane, I was asked to empty my computer bag, remove my shoes and belt, remove my jacket, and present my ID for an additional inspection. As I looked around to all of the people half dressed, IDs in hand, lined up single file, fearing for saying the wrong thing, looking suspicious or making a false move, i thought to myself "the terrorists have won."

    Anonymous Cowards, are we willing to give up liberty for safety? Are we willing to subject ourselves to a government that is for its own interests? Our government of the people, by the people, for the people, is slipping away, not just in Washington, but even on our own streets as we allow funds earmarked for the intellectual training of our young and old to be used instead in the enforcement of the law of a government that is arguably representing less the desires of the people, and more the desires of those who are in power. In my mind, this is a tragic occurrence.

    Are we telling our representatives that we want to sacrifice our liberty (education) for safety? By diminishing the educational resources of MSJC by diverting funds into safety enforcement, this is what the leaders of the college district have done. Is this the action the taxpayers want? If not, please speak up. Stop the absurd one-sided arguments and get real about it. Let's lay to rest the Us vs. Them mentality and realize that this city belongs to ALL of us.

    The Menifee City Government may be in the best position to bring balance to the situation. I implore our elected leaders to do the right thing for the city.

  16. They have police at elementary schools. Why not at a college campus. I sure feel more comfortable knowing they are patroling the area when I walk to my car at night after class. Since I pay tuition I feel that part of that money should go to capmus police. If people do not feel safe, they won't go.

  17. The funny thing M@ is you complain about anonymous cowards yet you yourself are anonymous. You are the hypicritical crap that lends itself to the problems that are being spewed by these anti-police people like Anne. Funny thing is she backed the firing of the college leader whose main goal was to provide full-time faculty and withdraw support from temecula and banning. He was fired because he did not support her and other board members personal pet policies. She wants to take about wasting how about the half million it costs to "get rid" of the administrator plus the extra fees to find a replacement.

  18. The funny thing M@ is you complain about anonymous cowards yet you yourself are anonymous. You are the hypicritical crap that lends itself to the problems that are being spewed by these anti-police people like Anne. Funny thing is she backed the firing of the college leader whose main goal was to provide full-time faculty and withdraw support from temecula and banning. He was fired because he did not support her and other board members personal pet policies. She wants to take about wasting how about the half million it costs to "get rid" of the administrator plus the extra fees to find a replacement.

  19. Only three board members know why the former president was fired. Two of us still don't know and we did not vote for the dismissal. The 18 month buy out payment was inclusive in the contract upon termination.

    The question remains do taxpayers want state educational resources spent on public safety beyond campus owned properties? Those same three board members may agree.

  20. I don't mind that they are policing the campus that is were they should be and if they had Jurisdiction of X amount of miles that is okay. But what is the X amount of miles. I saw them up on McCall and the 215 Fwy today and at Neport and Murrieta. Do they have enough fellow officers protecting our campus while these other patrol cars are all over town? My High Schooler wants to take some classes at the college but I want to know hat she will be safe.