Will They or Won't They Wal~Mart

So, unless you haven't received your mailer from Wal Mart yet announcing the proposed new location in Menifee, you already know that Wal...

So, unless you haven't received your mailer from Wal Mart yet announcing the proposed new location in Menifee, you already know that Wal Mart is encouranging you to encourange your City Council to approve the new store. Well, I ask you to think about a few things before you do this.
  1. According to the mailer, "$12.25 is the average wage for regular, full-time hourly associates in California." Wait! Read this carefully. Full-time hourly associates? Do you know how many full-time hourly associates Wal Mart generally employs? Very few. Most of their associates are part-time, nearly 80%. I think it important that we ask Wal Mart, before they come to our city, how many GUARANTEED full-time hourly associate positions they will be offering. Also, how many of those are for new hires? Most of those positions will be taken by current Wal Mart part-time associates who transfer to the new store. These are not jobs offered to Menifee new hires.
  2. Let's look at the statement made by the mailer again. "$12.25 is the average. . ." This is the average wage for Department Managers, not part-time or full-time entry level positions. Don't be fooled! Any new hire of Wal Mart, under normal circumstances, has to start at part-time and work their way up. Most, if not all, of the new positions created by the new store opening will be entry level, part-time, minimum wage postions. $8.00, part-time.
  3. "Both full and part-time associated eligible for healthcare coverage." At what cost? Many employess of Wal Mart cannot afford their healthcare coverage, as it is too expensive on their limited salaries.
  4. "73% of our store management team joined as hourly associates." In light of what you now know, this makes sense. To move up, you must start as an hourly associate. A part-time hourly associate!
  5. As a large retailer, Wal Mart offers goods and services at prices that local small businesses cannot compete with. When small business cannot flourish, this means your friends and neighbors cannot maintain their businesses, and eventually will close their business and move away. It has happened countless times in small cities across the nation, when Wal Mart has come to town! What does THAT do for the local economy?
  6. When Wal Mart opened it's store in Cathedral City, there were promises made to the city by Wal Mart about certain monies that the retailer would pay over the next few years to the city to help the local economy. When those monies were not paid, and the retailer wanted to expand their store to include a Super Center, the city declined their propostition. The retailer moved 1 mile down the road to Palm Springs, and opened their Super Center. The monies were never paid to Cathedral City and the building remains empty to this day.

I encourage you do to your own research, and to prompt our City Council to do theirs as well. Do not take for granted the propeganda that Wal Mart sends you! Ask hard questions at the Planning Commission hearing! How many FULL-TIME jobs, and at what rate of pay? How much DO healthcare benefits cost for a PART-TIME employee? What is the City of Menifee giving to Wal Mart for free? Land? The building? A tax break? How is this helping our city?

If you would like to see another side of Wal Mart, rent the video, "Wal Mart, the High Cost of Low Prices". It is available on Net Flix, if you have it. You will see the ugly side of Wal Mart, as you have never seen before. Talk to any Wal Mart associate, and they will tell you more.

Think twice Menifee, before we welcome Wal Mart with open arms.

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  1. Sorry but I welcome them with open arms.

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  2. Since our Govt. is far from creating any private sector jobs, I also welcome the store. This will produce Construction jobs, city permit fees, and tax revenue. I currently drive to Hemet to shop for groceries at their Walmart store. Menifee loosing all the new home construction revenue, this will be a long term source of funds.

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  3. As a whole I have never been a fan of Walmart. I do not like their image nor do I like the way they use their employees. Lets face it we could all use some low prices these days but these stores attract customers that I don't want hanging around my city. Are they going to be open 24-7? Are they going to allow people to camp over night in the parking lot? I want Walmart in Menifee as much as I would want a strip club, casino or any other seedy business.

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  4. Regarding the above comment that Wal-Mart attracts customers we don't want hanging around our city, let's understand that Wal-Marts exist in Murrieta, Lake Elsinore, Perris, Hemet, and Temecula. So, adding another Wal-Mart to Menifee is not going to attract more customers here.

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  5. I'm super excited for Walmart to open. We are fortunate to get any sort of job creation around here. Plus Walmart prices RULE!

    Welcome Walmart! We Menifee Loves You!

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  6. As long as they get the roadway improved beforehand, they can go for it. If you don't like it, you can boycott it.

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  7. People seem to forget that the Walmart would open up on Scott Road. If you look at the plans, Walmart will assist in the expanding of the road, BUT, as of now there are no plans nor dates as to when the roads would be adapted. What that means is that the store will be built long before the roads can handle the increased traffic. If you think Scott is bad now, just wait.

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  8. Thw Walmart's in LE, Hemet, and Perris are all scummy and low class. The Walmart's In Murietta and Temecula are kept away from the populations and in business areas. The Walmart on Scott would be extremely close to residential neighborhoods. If you don't live there, there is probably not an issue for you. If you live in the near vicinity, the Walmart will negatively affect your housing prices, if and when they ever go up.

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  9. Why another Walmart? Why not a movie complex or a cool bowling alley? I'm tired of going to Cal Oaks to league bowl. That would provide our Menifee residents jobs and tax revenue. Besides I would love to have a movie theatre here close to the Market Place shopping center. Just my 2 cents.

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  10. You guys crack me up. defining the lake elsinore walmart and perris walmart as the low life scum areas and then the murrieta and temecula as the higher end areas.....funny! Anyways... i agree with the last comment, my husband and I have ALWAYS said a movie complex, bowling alley and a good book store like Barnes and Noble would be perfect in the field across from Target. It would keep the young kids busy and out of trouble.... maybe??

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  11. Walmart recently spent millions of dollars in litigation just so didn't have to pay minimal fines for breaking the law. They think the rules do not apply to them. I used to work in workers compensation and met some of their employees in that situation. They treat their long time, loyal employees like liars, thieves and scum. It is true, wages and hours are low, respect and moral is low. Convenience of a close store with lower prices is nice but the detriment is too high. Yes, traffic, crime, being too close to residences, it's not worth it.
    Menifee Resident

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  12. I have worked for Wal Mart and they were the worst employer I ever had in my life. Not only do they belittle their employees, the stores and pathetically low prices will attract crime. Crime rates within the surrounding areas where they build it will increase dramatically.
    Keep the Wal Mart in Murrieta and if you really want to shop there, then take a 5 minute drive down the 215. Keep our city Wal Mart Free! We do not want it!

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  13. A bowling alley, book store, etc. will do nothing to keep young kids busy and out of trouble, period.
    By the way, if you haven't heard, Barnes and Noble is up for sale and will probably be closing soon.

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  14. Every Walmart I've ever been to is disgusting, including the one in Murrieta (haven't been to the Temecula one). They are dirty, badly kept and attract people I don't really want to be around...especially late at night. I would love the jobs Walmart would provide but wish it were another business going in there. Plus like someone else mentioned, the traffic there is going to be horrendous.

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  15. This is a joke! Walmart is Walmart! Seriously people, I see trash coming to Menifee. Has anyone ever been to a Walmart where they saw otherwise? Really they send this flyer which is a lie! Do your research on the business practices of Walmart. There is even a movie made about them! You can rent it on Netflix, it's called WALMART THE HIGH COST OF LOW PRICES! For all you Walmart lovers, keep on supporting China and the lead based products they distribute to Walmart! Low prices, I would rather pay more and shop at Target where they practice good ethics! You're not saving any money shopping at Walmart! MOVIE THEATER ALL THE WAY!

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  16. Yeah! more white trash = )

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  17. Reading all of your comment's and looking into this Wal-Mart in Menifee has opened my eyes to the possible problems that could happen. I was at first all for it, but now I would disagree in building another store that is not needed.
    Look at what we already have around us and what another Wal-Mart would do to the local economy. It would help but also hurt. Look at the menifee shopping area which already has congestion that takes 15-30 minutes to cross the 215 just to get to the stores. So a 5 minute ride to the store usually takes about 30-40 minutes instead of 5 minutes. Also in the Ralphs supermarket area lies an old Target store that is still empty since they built a new super Target one across the freeway and also there is another super Target on Clinton Kieth road. Just think what could happen in the Albertson's area. Also the 215 is already congested as is from people who don"t know how to drive or do the Zipper effect in letting traffic in to make a smooth transition and that area is backed up from just a little after Clinton Kieth road to past the Murietta Hot springs and if they built one on Scott road then traffic would be from Scott road all the way past Murietta Hot Springs. NO THANK YOU on that Idea. It already takes me an hour to drive from San Diego to my home in Menifee and to add another possible hour. Wal-Mart no Thank You on the idea of another store. I say NO.....
    Menifee Home Owner.

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  18. I LOVE the Super Target that opened, and I am always at the Countryside Marketplace. It feels good to spend money in Menifee and know that it is helping our new city. I would welcome a Walmart too. Let's aim for that movie theater while we are at it! Menifee is a wonderful place to live and I think the new shops and restaurants have been fantastic.

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  19. I welcome Walmart with open arms!!

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  20. We like Walmart too and would welcome one here....my nephew and his wife work for Walmart and have been able to buy their first home, and get health insurance....I agree the one in Perris is old and rather dirty but Hemet's is fine as is Murrieta's. They also hire older people which is wonderful for our seniors...its hard to find a job when you're over 60 and need work.

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  21. NO WAL MART's in Menifee. We need wider bridges at Scott Rd. and Newport Rd. We need another bridge between those to ease the congestion. A bridge at Holland Rd. would be nice.

    Do you people have any idea the junk they carry and the lack of quality. Just look at the following link on the meat recalled at Wal Mart this week. This is not the first time either. http://www.thestreet.com/story/10843468/1/wal-mart-recalls-deli-sandwiches.html?puc=_tscrss

    You people need to do your homework of pro's/con's before just saying yes to something that our community does not need or want.

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  22. I used to live by the Wal-Mart in Hemet. As soon as my wife and I could afford our new home we knew we wanted to live in Menifee, we felt is was a much better place to start a family. We would frequently shop at Hemet Wal-mart and we would frequently see fights in the parking lot, kids loitering by the front entrance, and all kind of scary things that we just dont want any part of. The store even had an undercover security team that looked like it was made up of ex convicts. Im not trying to sound like an elitist but we moved to Menifee because of the beautiful family atmosphere and it is up to us to keep it that way. Every city will have its sore spots but lets work to clean them up not welcome new ones.

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  23. Wal-mart bring it on, build it and they will come!!!

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  24. Why do we need to have a Wal-mart when we have a Super Target. It seems like the cons out-way the pros. Movie theater, restaurants, bowling alley and some more local businesses sound more like the right answer. We just don't need this giant to come in and step all over our community, they don't need us and we shouldn't want them.

    P.S. Anonymous is never a good option if you want quality comments.

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  25. WE DON'T NEED A TRASHY WALMART!! It will create more traffic that Scott Road cannot handle and it will bring more of a Perris environment into our city. NO! If Menifee knows what is best for our community, don't do it!

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  26. Anyone know what is coming in to the old Target in the Ralph's shopping center.

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  27. The "Perris environment" is already in Menifee

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  28. I don't think so Benny.

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  29. Having a family member with 20 years of employment at Walmart in an upper management position, I have come to hear it all.

    They are able to keep their pricing low due to the lower wages of the entry level associates. When Walmart opens a new location, many of the positions created are that of part time associates, cashiers, cart pushers and greeters, etc. Most positions of department manager and higher are filled from other locations by associates looking to be promoted, gain additional hours or work closer to home. If you are a seasoned retail manager looking for work, you are better off applying at a different location other than your local store.
    The information printed on the postcards sent is not exactly accurate. Out of the 3900 locations in North America and Puerto Rico, they are simply an average of what is taking place at Walmart today.

    As far as construction of a Walmart creating new jobs: Many of the contractors selected are already under contract from the other Walmart build outs. Most are not local to the city or community in which the store is being built. Some local sub contractors may be used, but many are again used from other areas.

    Walmart is moving away from the typical “Super Center” trend by building smaller locations. When Walmart announces to a city its intentions, the local grocers protest and express their concerns to city government. Walmart can operate under the radar by opening a regular looking store with an expanded frozen food department, deli and bakery counter service. This trend can already be seen in most San Diego locations as well as Redlands and Colton. Without the “Super Center” moniker on the building, Walmart experiences less opposition. Many will say the new look of the remodeled stores is appealing. They can thank CEO Mike Duke and his management team, some of which came from Target Corp.

    On the subject of tax revenue: Is Menifee economically ready or large enough to support another mass merchant? If Walmart puts the hurt on Target’s sales as well as other local business, then the revenue from the sales tax from those businesses will be considerably less, making it a wash. Keep in mind that Best Buy, Michaels, Sports Chalet and many other Menifee Marketplace vendors will be negatively affected. I would hate to see the Marketplace lose some of its vendors and business because we as a city cannot effectively support another large mass retailer without taking away from others.

    And yes there are the issues of increased traffic and roadway concerns. If you have ever shopped a Walmart late at night, you may agree that there are also security issues that certainly need to be addressed.

    We as consumers either love Walmart or hate Walmart. Many love them for their low prices and many dislike them for the negative impact they can have on a city. Just ask residents of Cathedral City near Palm Springs. Walmart wanted to vacate its longtime location there and wanted the city to fund the building of a Super Center. When the city refused, Walmart got neighboring Palm Springs to build it and vacated Cathedral City leaving the building empty for many years until two years ago.

    Will Walmart be a good fit for Menifee? Only time will tell. Personally as a longtime resident and homeowner, I’m still getting used to and liking it the way it is.

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  30. I hope we get a Wal-Mart , also who's bright ideal was it to jam all the eating places in the one corner of Menifee Marketplace? What a mess there. Hope they do not design the new Wal-Mart

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  31. We need a mexican market to come to Menifee, like a Cardenas or even a Fiesta Warehouse. If you guys have never been into one of them don't you are missing the great deals they have.

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  32. I'd suggest everyone watch this video:

    tinyurl. com/WalMartMovie (remove the spaces)

    It's about 94 minutes long sans credits, and I have never set foot in a Wal-Mart since I saw this video.

    Put up a new park, open a movie theater, or build a Barnes & Noble...Please, do NOT build another Wal-Mart.

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  33. Also, please---if you decide to watch the movie, watch the WHOLE thing before basing an opinion on it.

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  34. A Mexican market..are you serious...the one's I have seen are dirty and run down. Great deals?? You mean like the 99 cent stores that sell hazardous products from China. No thanks...Perris and Lake Elsinore mexican markets are close enough.

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  35. With our economy, we need some lower prices that Wal-Mart can bring. Sorry... not everyone can live the upper class life and pay the higher prices that Target has. Don't get me wrong, I shop at Target too, but some of their prices are outrageous. I drive to the Wal-Mart in Murrieta because of the lower prices, but I would much rather spend my money in my own city.

    Who cares how many full-time and part-time associates Wal-Mart employes as long as they are providing jobs for Menifee residence. The last I checked these little shops have not provided any jobs for the last nine years that I have lived here.

    And on the subject of Wal-Mart bringing lower class people into our neighborhood, I would rather have low class honest workers, than upper class child molesters around. Check Megan's Law and see who is in our community. These are the people we need to worry about.

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  36. Low class people can't be child molesters? Upper class people are always child molesters? What type of thinking is this?

    I would venture to guess that many of the individuals who appear on the Megan's Law website are not rolling in the dough. Do you know how hard it is to find gainful employment after being convicted of this type of crime?

    Also, the thinking that you don't care how many jobs, or what type of jobs, Wal Mart creates, is just what Wal Mart hopes for. A job is a job, right? Wrong. Wal Mart designs their corporate structure to keep the poor poor and the rich rich. Think about it! I don't see Wal Mart CEO Mike Duke working a register, nor has he ever in his lifetime, worked a register in Wal Mart. The average worker for Wal Mart works part time, doesn't make enough money to opt for the provided health insurance, and lives below the poverty level, which in this country, just topped out at 11% of the population. An all-time high! The average Wal Mart Manager brings home $100,000 a year; but with one bad inventory, they are fired. Pipe dreams!

    And let me ask you this. You drive to Murrieta to save a few dollars at Wal Mart? How much did that fuel to and from cost you? How often do you do that? Whose really getting your money?

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  37. Upper class child molesters!!! That is the BEST thing I've heard in a long time! That poster must be living in a cardboard box if they consider the sex offenders as upper class!! Give me a break!

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  38. It really doesn't matter what we want anyway, if the city wants to build it they will, I see they have already broken ground, we are S.O.L as usual. I love government.

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  39. we do not need a wal mart in menifee. there is no need for it at all. we currently have a super target so what is the point of building a super wal mart. and wal mart isn't that much cheaper than target. wal mart treats there employees like crap. i encourage you all to watch the video "wal mart, the high cost of low prices" they need to build something useful in menifee, somewhere kids and families can hang out, not another store.

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  40. Where did they break ground for the Wal-Mart already? And what ever happened to the aquatic facility that was supposed to built BEFORE the Country Market Place? I'm a Wal-Mart shopper but even I don't think Menifee needs one. We already have 4 in the surrounding area.

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  41. Everyone is getting offended about the person calling molesters upper class but no one is commenting how everyone is stero typing "low class people" as bad people.Thats all I see posted Walmart bad people Walmart low class people Walmart Perris people.It sounds like Menifee is acting like they are in a class above everyone else.If you are so much better move to Beverly Hills.Dang move to Temecula even.Menifee is not the cream of the crop.I think it is a nice diverse city that is going to suffer from narrow minded people.Just because someone is less fortunate does not mean they are bad people.And YES there are alot of molesters out there upper and lower class just like there are bad people in the upper and lower class community.If you do not want Walmart thats fine, but it should be because of your own personal experience not because of some video that the union probably made or because of some anti Walmart blogs. 99% of the people against building Walmart will be the same people filling their parking lot when it opens.

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  42. There are alot of molesters with good jobs. Google it, and there are alot in Menifee too. Hey can someone tell me what other little companies around here are hiring or have hired in the past so many years. I have a Bachelors and I still had to find a job in a different city. Bring on the building and bring on Walmart!!

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  43. Wal Mart is bull, I think that we should not let them in to our city.. Wonderful article though!

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  44. Great article!! I still hope to make sense to all, if they open, local supermarkets will get hurt, the wallwreen that just open, and what happen to both targets?? I work for starer b. and when they open on temecula the local store when down so bad it even hurt the one on murrieta....cut hours to every body and loss of local employment

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  45. I was for the Walmart before I read all the comments and not so sure now, I like the idea of the jobs because there are so many people who want part time jobs so they can go to school, but again no medical insurance? wow! and yes we do have Super Target but prices are better at Walmart. But if Walmart does have to be built I really hope they would widen Scott Rd first that would be crazy if they don't. My hope though is that we get get a movie theatre because I hate going to Temecula/Murrieta if I don't have to.

    I also think it was dumb to put a furniture store in the old target builting, didn't they know that the furniture row in Murrieta didn't work out. I would also like to see some really nice resturants here in Menifee. we needs so much more here than big shopping stores ie ice rink,a Joann's/quilt store (that just personal lol)hobbie store, dance studios just some fun things.

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  46. Why can't we have a Costco instead of Wal-Mart?

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  47. Well, we all know the answer now. The Planning Committee approved the Walmart application.

    For some strange reason, the Commissioners seem to believe that Caltrans will break ground on the new Scott Rd bridge within the next 8 months and complete it by August 2013.

    Strange that they think that, seeing as their own staff told them that some $25 million additional funding was needed before the work could start and that neither the County nor Caltrans have it available. The City development Director even told them she had no idea, and wouldn't even hazard a guess as to when the new bridge and interchange would be in place.

    Maybe the Commissioners believe in manna from Heaven?

    Let's hope they can get the same kind of divine intervention to magically "spirit" drivers across the freeway when they're stuck in the massive tailbacks that Walmart's own traffic studies predict.

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  48. Why does everyone say Wal-Mart is trashy? I thought people were suppose to be getting less IGNORANT these days!! In this time of recession I am sure there are quite a few people who would love to get a job there, or save money and shop there. Don't knock it till you try it. I would love one to be closer!!

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  49. WalMart is great if you want a part-time job as a greeter. It will not bring long-term employment that requires education to the area, and that is the kind of employment that brings market share to other local businesses instead of taking it away. By the way, 91% of what WalMart sells is made in China; that does not add to the U.S. economy either.

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  50. This sure is getting a lot of comments. I think every one should go out and get the move "the price of low prices" it will tell you all about walmart, it is an instant view on netfix if you have a subscription. I have never liked walmart but after doing some research and getting educated I will never spend another dime in a walmart. Having grown up in Menifee and now owning a home here I feel it would be a huge embarrassment and mistake to welcome walmart with open arms.

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  51. I think there may be some confusion as to how business works. And who is "they" anyway, as in "why would they put in a furniture store. Living Spaces chose to come here. They chose the location based on demographics, income surveys, etc. They were not forced or asked by any city government or official. Let's get that straight; they came here on their own.
    Would it be nice to have a Costco, movie theatre or ice rink? Sure it would! Does it make sense from a financial standpoint? Not if you're the company paying out the money to make it happen. Menifee is still a small growing city that will have to wait a while for large businesses, such as the aforementioned to choose to settle in here. If you are the CEO of a billion dollar company, you're not likely to drop it in the middle of Menifee just because there is an empty building sitting there. Target still owns the facility and played a big part in what business leased it. You see, Target did not want any business going in there that would be a direct competitor to anything it sells at its other location.
    I would rather Living Spaces occupy the old Target building than see it sit empty for another few years or have one of those cheesy mini malls move into it.

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  52. I think Walmart would be perfect!! This will help those people that need work... So I say welcome Walmart!!
    Also I would like to see more fast food resturants Like Pollo Loco, MC Donalds, There r to many Jack In The Box's already.
    Also maybe like a Victoria Gardens the pace is there

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  53. My friend lived in hemet by walmart and we'd pass on shopping there because there'd be sirens and a flight of cop cars surrounding walmart all the time. There's a " people of walmart " wesite. It has a reputation.

    http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/page/2

    Walmart cheats their customers on change out of the automated machines. It shorted my mother-in-law a quarter once. She went back in to tell the cashier and they looked at her like she was wacko. Who's gonna prove it shorted her? She and I both knew it did. How many of us actaully count our change? And how many millions of people are they shorting every hour of every day? Millions of dollars in walmarts pocket.

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