Dangerous Bicyclists in Menifee?

An anonymous reader submitted the following letter concerning bicyclists seemingly taking over the grounds at the Albertson's shopping c...

An anonymous reader submitted the following letter concerning bicyclists seemingly taking over the grounds at the Albertson's shopping center on Newport & Murrieta Rds, and asks the city council to take action...
A serious accident ready to happen exists at the Albertson's shopping center on the Menifee road side where a real estate, mexican resturant, and a bicycle shop are proprieters. Evenings after school teens gather to "take over" the area with riding bicycles up, down the handicap ramp, jumping the stairs, blocking the stairs to patrons, (two, three and four riding together and behind each other.)

I have written complaints to the Riverside Sheriff, Riverside Sheriff Perris station, and have discussed this ongoing (for 4 years now) problem with the proprieters and nothing has been done.

The teens when confronted have "smart mouthy" responses, and feel they have the right to congregate there on tables belonging to the Mexican Resturant for their patrons to eat outside. There is no available table outside as these teens (10 or more) occupy them eating nothing.

They have almost run over those walking on the walk, up the ramp, or trying to get up the stairs which they continually block with their presence. The establishment has complained to the sheriff who does NOT solve this ongoing problem

Therefore, I wish to ask the Menifee City Council to put some presssure on law enforcement to enforce the ordinances in place. These teens about two years ago removed all the signs on the posts "NO BICYCLE OR SKATEBOARDS ALLOWED" AND laugh they are no longer there, and they say they are NOT prohibited from being there and riding their bicycles as there is a bicycle shop there and bikes outside.

PLEASE HELP before some gets seriously injured. My husband almost was falling at the stairs while trying to get to our vehicle parked below.


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  1. Menifee really needs more constructive places or safer places for kids to hang out. We could also go on and on about bad parents. If you really want them to flee, then you have to beat them at their own game. Let's truly be a family oriented community. Show up with a bunch of your friends and neighbors (the further away from 40 the better) and some cookies and start talking to the kids. Pinch their cheeks, and tell them how much they remind you of your grandchildren, then of course get all your grandchildren pictures out, they will find other place to haunt. If that somehow doesn’t work then you can start telling them about your doctor visit the bunion on your foot how things used to be back in 19XX.

    The city council really has done all they can do. They will adopt the county laws and they could send the cops on them, but that just means they’ll scatter when the cops come and regroup when they leave. It won’t really solve the problem. This just creates an us/them contest. Community problems like this really need the community to take action.

    I'll help you just let me know when you want to go.

  2. There isn't many places around here where teens can hangout. The kids at a shopping center problem is one that has to be handled by the property management. The Sheriff can't do much since it's private property. If you get accosted or feel threatened then they can step in and do something. Find out who manages the property, take pictures of what is going on and send them in. I'm sure the proprietor will do something about a possible loss of property and revenue.

  3. As a parent of a teenage son, I am very much aware of lack of recreational opportunities for teenagers. These kids can not be put on ice.

    Maybe some of the older citizens can use their amble time to help to organize a boys and girls club for younger teens. The older teen needs activities also. Are there any suggestions from the Senior Community besides complaining.

  4. How about a skateboard park for all teenagers on wheels? They can use skateboards, rollerskates, or bicycles. We can have one in each existing parks that has room enough for this type of activity. As long as our teenagers wear safety gear, they may alleviate many of the problems of teens creating safety hazards at shopping areas of our community. Any comments?

  5. We do not need a place designated for teens to hang out. If they cannot keep occupied at home, then send them off to camp. Creating a place for teens to hang out just brings trouble to the area. What happened to enforcing the loitering laws. Teenagers that are 16 or over should be either working, in school, or studying. If they have free time then they need to do something constructive and not destructive. If they do something destructive or get into trouble then put them in jail. I'm sick of everyone thinking that creating a place for teens to hang out is a good thing. You are sorely mistaken and if you happen to live next to the area that is created for them to hang out you will find your property littered, tagged and pissed all over. Wake up people!

  6. I had heard that some sort of skate park or sports park was going to be built up holland road next to the new school? I for one would prefer any skate park or hang out for teens be placed somewhere out in the middle of nowhere. Special places built for teens to hangout will just cause problems to be more localized within that area. Not to mention the gangs from surrounding counties love to go to those types of places and cause trouble. When I was a teen I worked, went to school and stayed out of trouble. The teen trouble makers are going to cause problems no matter what or where they can or cannot hangout.

  7. I used to work in the real estate office in that complex and I can tell you first hand that the kids have no respect for the patrons or businesses. In fact, they seem to welcome it.

    You all can say all you want about there not being a "skate park" or place for the kids to hang out. That still does not excuse the fact that the problem exists nor does it give the kids the right to do their thing. By stating this is basically giving them an excuse and telling them that it is ok to do what they do because "honey I know you do not have a place to go"

    It is about having an ounce of respect, which is not too common in youth these days. But I guess having respect comes from many avenues including good parenting. Instead of telling the world that it is Menifee's fault due to lack of facilities, try the other side of the coin and talk to your kid.

    Now, before you go and say I am an old dude that does not like kids, I will tell you that I am in my early 40's and a parent. I simply believe that it is not the communities job to provide things for your kid to do and places for them to hang out. Nor do I believe that I should have to be burdened by your kids and their lack of basic respect.

  8. Hey "Anonymous, at August 31, 2008 2:00 AM" - its not 1950 anymore, why don't you wake up and see your wrong. Kids need stuff to do, that is a fact. It is an important issue that needs to be addressed. It might not be the job of the city to create things for kids to do, however they certainly can work with Valley Wide parks and private business to help get on the right track.

  9. Instead of making excuses for the bad behavior of these kids, the kids and parents of these kids need to be held responsible, make the parents responsible for their kids behavior and I bet you'll get some action.

  10. The poster at August 31, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. was very correct to respond to Anonymous, at August 31, 2008 2:00 AM" by stating its not 1950 anymore. I am in total agreement. The older teenagers who are in their 60s to 90s have many facilities available for them at the Sun City Civic Association and gated senior communities.

    If one were to take inventories of facilities available in other cities throughout Riverside County compared to Menifee (including Sun City Core now part of Menifee), the comparisons are embarassing. One reason that I voted for Cityhood was for the city officials and residents to focus on the City of Menifee to catch up with rest of the County and other communities throughout Southern California!

    We also have to remember that teenagers of today have different set of circumstances to handle than those in 1950. These kids are frequently members of single parent households and in other cases other teenager have to deal with step parents and step sisters and step brothers in blended families. Even those kids that are from stable two parent household have to deal with social issues that weren't as pressing in 1950.

    Will the complainers be willing to volunteer time and energy in city wide recreation events and committees.

  11. Ok, now if we oppose your ideas we are from the 1950's and should be a core resident. Heck I was born in 1964!

    You all are still stemming right around the point. You are blaming the lack of an organized
    location(s) (tax payer expense) to basically babysit your children. There is no excuse for disruptive or disrespectful behavior and building a skate park will not be the cure all.

    I will not even address the differences of kids from earlier times to today. It is clear that times have changed and so has the behavior of the younger
    generation(s). Think of when your parents (those now in their 60's and 70's or above)where in school. Was there such a thing as "No child left behind?". Better yet where there skate parks and bike parks? What is it that kids did then?

    I do not want to return to yesterday, it is long gone. But please tell me why my tax dollars should pay for your child to have something to do, a place to hang out and how this is going to fix the original problem in this string?

    If you can detail the above, maybe you could change my mind. But until then enough with the fact that government has to supply your kid with something to do.

  12. I totally agree that our tax dollars should not be spent to babysit your kids. Parents, whether single or step are responsible for raising their kids. Most teenagers today have total lack of respect for anyone other then themselves. This stems from the parents and how they raised their kids.

  13. I think this is a problem that can be addressed by the property manager or the store managers of that shopping center...they just need to talk to the sheriff about it and get the place checked several times in the evenings...
    I would complain to the store managers.
    we have two boys, one a teen and one who is 20 and we keep them busy with school, and working as much as possible. Our oldest works 50+ hours a week and our youngest is a senior and has his own lawn mowing business on the weekends...when they were younger we got them involved in sports, soccer and Little League...our oldest was a soccer referee for over 6 years..there are things for the kids to do, parents need to be diligent and involved with their kids..

  14. Well, some residents want our tax dollars to go to funding a war that was started by George Bush. Some residents have the opinion that unlimited and unaccounted funds are directed to war but no tax dollars shouldn't go for recreational opportunities to assist teenagers and younger children so that these dollare may help young people to achieve their potentials.

    What a bleak assement of how our society and government should be oriented.

  15. We dont eat at the Mexican food place any more due to the teenagers that hang out around the place.

  16. We just had to have the obligatory "George Bush is responsible for the Iraq War, my bad hair, Jeffrey the hamster not spinning his wheel this morning, and all manner of things ad nauseum ad nauseum" comment on this thread.
    We could spend our whole lives blaming others for our problems and nothing would change.
    The responsibility for taking care of my children lies with me, the parent. I know my children best and if they're hanging out in front of a restaurant for hours and hours after school, that means I need to start re-evaluating what I'm doing as a parent, because it's not working. I don't even have to fire one electrical impulse through the synapse in my cerebral cortex if all I'm going to do is blame society and George Bush for my bad parenting skills.

  17. To the poster on 8/31/08 at 5:51 p.m., you have missed the point. The gist of not using taxes for recreation or "butter" types of programs was stated in one of the posts.

    Because of this position in the post, it was very natural to use George Bush" rush to war and the faulty information to justify war Now, the Iraqi war has costs hundreds of bullion of dollars for a war that has taken maoney out of the U.S. coffers that could have been used for domestic programs.

    We also have to remember that Bush's election or more accurately selection in 2000 was very questionable. He was appointed as President by 5 Supreme Court Judges that were appointed by either Reagan or George Bush, Sr. This gang of five have given the people of the UKSA the worst President of the USA whose actions have created problems for this country.

  18. How in the world can a discussion of teenagers and riding bikes in a shopping center evolve in any way to the Iraq war and politics!

    This is the point I have tried to make in two and now three comments in this thread. Stop trying to divert the issue of today's behavior of teenagers and look at the root of the real problem. It lies in the fact that as a society we are failing in teaching our kids good core values.

    There are many out there that are doing a great job, in my line of work I see it daily. Unfortunatley I see the negative side way more.

    George Bush, the Republican Party nor anyone else raised your kids. It was you as their parent(s). If I go on the theory explained in previous posts, I might as well blame everyone else and hope that someday government has more money to suppport all those who never believe they do anything wrong.

    Wow, now I think I have heard it all.

  19. I am confused as to what kind of facilities need to be built to keep kids from making poor choices. We have parks! Pete Peterson, Lazy Creek and a few others are as easy to ride too as the Bike shop! There are roads with sidewalks, there are culdisacs, etc. for bike riders to ride! Hello? The problem is our society promotes conflict and rebellion and is addicted to pushing the line on what is respectful and what is right. Are you telling me these kids need a "specially designed and dedicated" something to know where to ride a bike and not run over people? Are these teenagers low on IQ or what? As for the patrons of the Pueblo and the Bike shop, write them letters, get a petition and make an impact on their business by not supporting it. They are the key to getting the law out there. Use a video camera--everyone has one and video the kids, find their parents, take their bicycles which are on private property, post their pictures etc. There are ways to take back our sidewalks!

  20. To a few of the last posters. Hooray for you, you hit the nail right on the head. It is up to you as parents to be active and aware of what your children/teenagers are doing. I applaud you!

  21. Does anyone know if it is legal to take pictures of these teens riding bikes on the sidewalks, down the handicap ramp, and loitering in front of these stores. Menifee live has a photo gallery. What are the restrictions to posting or at least threatening to post photos? Is it legal? I wonder if the Countryside Marketplace will have similiar problems and if Menifee is prepared to deal with it before it gets out of hand. I know for sure the same problem exists in the Stater Bros. center in front of the Pizza Factory. The skateboarders have had the police called out several times and they still come back.

  22. I have many agreements with some of the above posts. The problem is in how kids are raised. In families with either one single parent, or two working parents supervision during the day may be lacking. Plus, we have ... at least this year ... the year-round multi-track schedules with students being off at all times during the year. At least when they are all off for summer together we may be able to concentrate activities for them. I don't believe it is how many parents are working, but rather as a post said above, with what core values they are taught. I personally don't have the answer *yet* but I will say that we need to work together. My kids are almost grown and for most of their lives I was a stay at home mom. When they were off-track we went places, the movies, museums, camping, etc. They were also involved in soccer, gymnastics, and scouts. They didn't have time to "hang out" since we were so busy. Even when they were home they would have never dreamed about going out and destroying property and hassling strangers. Hopefully there will be more students that will be able to work at the new shopping areas. I know when Kohls opened in Murrieta there were many high school students who got jobs. It is our time to pull together and become a city to be proud of!


  23. I think it is a consensus that children in this community that show no respect to common areas and adults, are a problem for all. If their parents won't resolve these issues, we put pressure on police and elected officials to start prosecuting delinquent behavior, including fining the parents for the cost to resolve these issues. I agree with the previous post..that the new shopping center will be open for gang activity and more young adult criminal behavior.

  24. Before we arrest all of the kids riding their bikes at public places and those adults continuing to thumb their chests about how their kids are supervised and well mannered, lets survey how other communities have provided programs and facilities for youth.

    At this time, there are facilities and programs for the older teenagers (ages 50-90) but none for the younger ones kunder 20 years of age. An urban ill is that we have a number of kids not as fortunate as those with stable families or parent/s that provide the recreational opportunities for them. Yet, these less unfortunate kids literally raise themselves and yes, their attitudes can be surly to adults.

    Again let us spend tax money as other communities have done for recreational opportunities instead of using tax money for just law enforcement. The better answer is to have law enforcement balanced with recreational opportunities.

  25. I would bet that the kids hanging out, causing trouble and being rude are not A or B students and if they are I would be willing to bet they are not honors A or B students. They need to go home, open up their books and focus on school. When they have managed to bring their grades up then they need to sign up for an afterschool activity, club or sport. This will solve some of the problem. The rest of it will be solved by their parents teaching them how to be respectful, responsible, caring citizens. THIS IS NOT THE COMMUNITY'S RESPONSIBILITY!