Dangerous Bicyclists in Menifee?

An anonymous reader submitted the following letter concerning bicyclists seemingly taking over the grounds at the Albertson's shopping c...

An anonymous reader submitted the following letter concerning bicyclists seemingly taking over the grounds at the Albertson's shopping center on Newport & Murrieta Rds, and asks the city council to take action...
A serious accident ready to happen exists at the Albertson's shopping center on the Menifee road side where a real estate, mexican resturant, and a bicycle shop are proprieters. Evenings after school teens gather to "take over" the area with riding bicycles up, down the handicap ramp, jumping the stairs, blocking the stairs to patrons, (two, three and four riding together and behind each other.)

I have written complaints to the Riverside Sheriff, Riverside Sheriff Perris station, and have discussed this ongoing (for 4 years now) problem with the proprieters and nothing has been done.

The teens when confronted have "smart mouthy" responses, and feel they have the right to congregate there on tables belonging to the Mexican Resturant for their patrons to eat outside. There is no available table outside as these teens (10 or more) occupy them eating nothing.

They have almost run over those walking on the walk, up the ramp, or trying to get up the stairs which they continually block with their presence. The establishment has complained to the sheriff who does NOT solve this ongoing problem

Therefore, I wish to ask the Menifee City Council to put some presssure on law enforcement to enforce the ordinances in place. These teens about two years ago removed all the signs on the posts "NO BICYCLE OR SKATEBOARDS ALLOWED" AND laugh they are no longer there, and they say they are NOT prohibited from being there and riding their bicycles as there is a bicycle shop there and bikes outside.

PLEASE HELP before some gets seriously injured. My husband almost was falling at the stairs while trying to get to our vehicle parked below.

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  1. Menifee really needs more constructive places or safer places for kids to hang out. We could also go on and on about bad parents. If you really want them to flee, then you have to beat them at their own game. Let's truly be a family oriented community. Show up with a bunch of your friends and neighbors (the further away from 40 the better) and some cookies and start talking to the kids. Pinch their cheeks, and tell them how much they remind you of your grandchildren, then of course get all your grandchildren pictures out, they will find other place to haunt. If that somehow doesn’t work then you can start telling them about your doctor visit the bunion on your foot how things used to be back in 19XX.

    The city council really has done all they can do. They will adopt the county laws and they could send the cops on them, but that just means they’ll scatter when the cops come and regroup when they leave. It won’t really solve the problem. This just creates an us/them contest. Community problems like this really need the community to take action.

    I'll help you just let me know when you want to go.

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  2. There isn't many places around here where teens can hangout. The kids at a shopping center problem is one that has to be handled by the property management. The Sheriff can't do much since it's private property. If you get accosted or feel threatened then they can step in and do something. Find out who manages the property, take pictures of what is going on and send them in. I'm sure the proprietor will do something about a possible loss of property and revenue.

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  3. As a parent of a teenage son, I am very much aware of lack of recreational opportunities for teenagers. These kids can not be put on ice.

    Maybe some of the older citizens can use their amble time to help to organize a boys and girls club for younger teens. The older teen needs activities also. Are there any suggestions from the Senior Community besides complaining.

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  4. How about a skateboard park for all teenagers on wheels? They can use skateboards, rollerskates, or bicycles. We can have one in each existing parks that has room enough for this type of activity. As long as our teenagers wear safety gear, they may alleviate many of the problems of teens creating safety hazards at shopping areas of our community. Any comments?

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  5. We do not need a place designated for teens to hang out. If they cannot keep occupied at home, then send them off to camp. Creating a place for teens to hang out just brings trouble to the area. What happened to enforcing the loitering laws. Teenagers that are 16 or over should be either working, in school, or studying. If they have free time then they need to do something constructive and not destructive. If they do something destructive or get into trouble then put them in jail. I'm sick of everyone thinking that creating a place for teens to hang out is a good thing. You are sorely mistaken and if you happen to live next to the area that is created for them to hang out you will find your property littered, tagged and pissed all over. Wake up people!

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  6. I had heard that some sort of skate park or sports park was going to be built up holland road next to the new school? I for one would prefer any skate park or hang out for teens be placed somewhere out in the middle of nowhere. Special places built for teens to hangout will just cause problems to be more localized within that area. Not to mention the gangs from surrounding counties love to go to those types of places and cause trouble. When I was a teen I worked, went to school and stayed out of trouble. The teen trouble makers are going to cause problems no matter what or where they can or cannot hangout.

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  7. I used to work in the real estate office in that complex and I can tell you first hand that the kids have no respect for the patrons or businesses. In fact, they seem to welcome it.

    You all can say all you want about there not being a "skate park" or place for the kids to hang out. That still does not excuse the fact that the problem exists nor does it give the kids the right to do their thing. By stating this is basically giving them an excuse and telling them that it is ok to do what they do because "honey I know you do not have a place to go"

    It is about having an ounce of respect, which is not too common in youth these days. But I guess having respect comes from many avenues including good parenting. Instead of telling the world that it is Menifee's fault due to lack of facilities, try the other side of the coin and talk to your kid.

    Now, before you go and say I am an old dude that does not like kids, I will tell you that I am in my early 40's and a parent. I simply believe that it is not the communities job to provide things for your kid to do and places for them to hang out. Nor do I believe that I should have to be burdened by your kids and their lack of basic respect.

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  8. Hey "Anonymous, at August 31, 2008 2:00 AM" - its not 1950 anymore, why don't you wake up and see your wrong. Kids need stuff to do, that is a fact. It is an important issue that needs to be addressed. It might not be the job of the city to create things for kids to do, however they certainly can work with Valley Wide parks and private business to help get on the right track.

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  9. Instead of making excuses for the bad behavior of these kids, the kids and parents of these kids need to be held responsible, make the parents responsible for their kids behavior and I bet you'll get some action.

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  10. The poster at August 31, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. was very correct to respond to Anonymous, at August 31, 2008 2:00 AM" by stating its not 1950 anymore. I am in total agreement. The older teenagers who are in their 60s to 90s have many facilities available for them at the Sun City Civic Association and gated senior communities.

    If one were to take inventories of facilities available in other cities throughout Riverside County compared to Menifee (including Sun City Core now part of Menifee), the comparisons are embarassing. One reason that I voted for Cityhood was for the city officials and residents to focus on the City of Menifee to catch up with rest of the County and other communities throughout Southern California!

    We also have to remember that teenagers of today have different set of circumstances to handle than those in 1950. These kids are frequently members of single parent households and in other cases other teenager have to deal with step parents and step sisters and step brothers in blended families. Even those kids that are from stable two parent household have to deal with social issues that weren't as pressing in 1950.

    Will the complainers be willing to volunteer time and energy in city wide recreation events and committees.

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  11. Ok, now if we oppose your ideas we are from the 1950's and should be a core resident. Heck I was born in 1964!

    You all are still stemming right around the point. You are blaming the lack of an organized
    location(s) (tax payer expense) to basically babysit your children. There is no excuse for disruptive or disrespectful behavior and building a skate park will not be the cure all.

    I will not even address the differences of kids from earlier times to today. It is clear that times have changed and so has the behavior of the younger
    generation(s). Think of when your parents (those now in their 60's and 70's or above)where in school. Was there such a thing as "No child left behind?". Better yet where there skate parks and bike parks? What is it that kids did then?

    I do not want to return to yesterday, it is long gone. But please tell me why my tax dollars should pay for your child to have something to do, a place to hang out and how this is going to fix the original problem in this string?

    If you can detail the above, maybe you could change my mind. But until then enough with the fact that government has to supply your kid with something to do.

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  12. I totally agree that our tax dollars should not be spent to babysit your kids. Parents, whether single or step are responsible for raising their kids. Most teenagers today have total lack of respect for anyone other then themselves. This stems from the parents and how they raised their kids.

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  13. I think this is a problem that can be addressed by the property manager or the store managers of that shopping center...they just need to talk to the sheriff about it and get the place checked several times in the evenings...
    I would complain to the store managers.
    we have two boys, one a teen and one who is 20 and we keep them busy with school, and working as much as possible. Our oldest works 50+ hours a week and our youngest is a senior and has his own lawn mowing business on the weekends...when they were younger we got them involved in sports, soccer and Little League...our oldest was a soccer referee for over 6 years..there are things for the kids to do, parents need to be diligent and involved with their kids..

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  14. Well, some residents want our tax dollars to go to funding a war that was started by George Bush. Some residents have the opinion that unlimited and unaccounted funds are directed to war but no tax dollars shouldn't go for recreational opportunities to assist teenagers and younger children so that these dollare may help young people to achieve their potentials.

    What a bleak assement of how our society and government should be oriented.

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  15. We dont eat at the Mexican food place any more due to the teenagers that hang out around the place.

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  16. We just had to have the obligatory "George Bush is responsible for the Iraq War, my bad hair, Jeffrey the hamster not spinning his wheel this morning, and all manner of things ad nauseum ad nauseum" comment on this thread.
    We could spend our whole lives blaming others for our problems and nothing would change.
    The responsibility for taking care of my children lies with me, the parent. I know my children best and if they're hanging out in front of a restaurant for hours and hours after school, that means I need to start re-evaluating what I'm doing as a parent, because it's not working. I don't even have to fire one electrical impulse through the synapse in my cerebral cortex if all I'm going to do is blame society and George Bush for my bad parenting skills.

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  17. To the poster on 8/31/08 at 5:51 p.m., you have missed the point. The gist of not using taxes for recreation or "butter" types of programs was stated in one of the posts.

    Because of this position in the post, it was very natural to use George Bush" rush to war and the faulty information to justify war Now, the Iraqi war has costs hundreds of bullion of dollars for a war that has taken maoney out of the U.S. coffers that could have been used for domestic programs.

    We also have to remember that Bush's election or more accurately selection in 2000 was very questionable. He was appointed as President by 5 Supreme Court Judges that were appointed by either Reagan or George Bush, Sr. This gang of five have given the people of the UKSA the worst President of the USA whose actions have created problems for this country.

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  18. How in the world can a discussion of teenagers and riding bikes in a shopping center evolve in any way to the Iraq war and politics!

    This is the point I have tried to make in two and now three comments in this thread. Stop trying to divert the issue of today's behavior of teenagers and look at the root of the real problem. It lies in the fact that as a society we are failing in teaching our kids good core values.

    There are many out there that are doing a great job, in my line of work I see it daily. Unfortunatley I see the negative side way more.

    George Bush, the Republican Party nor anyone else raised your kids. It was you as their parent(s). If I go on the theory explained in previous posts, I might as well blame everyone else and hope that someday government has more money to suppport all those who never believe they do anything wrong.

    Wow, now I think I have heard it all.

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  19. I am confused as to what kind of facilities need to be built to keep kids from making poor choices. We have parks! Pete Peterson, Lazy Creek and a few others are as easy to ride too as the Bike shop! There are roads with sidewalks, there are culdisacs, etc. for bike riders to ride! Hello? The problem is our society promotes conflict and rebellion and is addicted to pushing the line on what is respectful and what is right. Are you telling me these kids need a "specially designed and dedicated" something to know where to ride a bike and not run over people? Are these teenagers low on IQ or what? As for the patrons of the Pueblo and the Bike shop, write them letters, get a petition and make an impact on their business by not supporting it. They are the key to getting the law out there. Use a video camera--everyone has one and video the kids, find their parents, take their bicycles which are on private property, post their pictures etc. There are ways to take back our sidewalks!

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  20. To a few of the last posters. Hooray for you, you hit the nail right on the head. It is up to you as parents to be active and aware of what your children/teenagers are doing. I applaud you!

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  21. Does anyone know if it is legal to take pictures of these teens riding bikes on the sidewalks, down the handicap ramp, and loitering in front of these stores. Menifee live has a photo gallery. What are the restrictions to posting or at least threatening to post photos? Is it legal? I wonder if the Countryside Marketplace will have similiar problems and if Menifee is prepared to deal with it before it gets out of hand. I know for sure the same problem exists in the Stater Bros. center in front of the Pizza Factory. The skateboarders have had the police called out several times and they still come back.

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  22. I have many agreements with some of the above posts. The problem is in how kids are raised. In families with either one single parent, or two working parents supervision during the day may be lacking. Plus, we have ... at least this year ... the year-round multi-track schedules with students being off at all times during the year. At least when they are all off for summer together we may be able to concentrate activities for them. I don't believe it is how many parents are working, but rather as a post said above, with what core values they are taught. I personally don't have the answer *yet* but I will say that we need to work together. My kids are almost grown and for most of their lives I was a stay at home mom. When they were off-track we went places, the movies, museums, camping, etc. They were also involved in soccer, gymnastics, and scouts. They didn't have time to "hang out" since we were so busy. Even when they were home they would have never dreamed about going out and destroying property and hassling strangers. Hopefully there will be more students that will be able to work at the new shopping areas. I know when Kohls opened in Murrieta there were many high school students who got jobs. It is our time to pull together and become a city to be proud of!

    ~Marie

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  23. I think it is a consensus that children in this community that show no respect to common areas and adults, are a problem for all. If their parents won't resolve these issues, we put pressure on police and elected officials to start prosecuting delinquent behavior, including fining the parents for the cost to resolve these issues. I agree with the previous post..that the new shopping center will be open for gang activity and more young adult criminal behavior.

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  24. Before we arrest all of the kids riding their bikes at public places and those adults continuing to thumb their chests about how their kids are supervised and well mannered, lets survey how other communities have provided programs and facilities for youth.

    At this time, there are facilities and programs for the older teenagers (ages 50-90) but none for the younger ones kunder 20 years of age. An urban ill is that we have a number of kids not as fortunate as those with stable families or parent/s that provide the recreational opportunities for them. Yet, these less unfortunate kids literally raise themselves and yes, their attitudes can be surly to adults.

    Again let us spend tax money as other communities have done for recreational opportunities instead of using tax money for just law enforcement. The better answer is to have law enforcement balanced with recreational opportunities.

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  25. I would bet that the kids hanging out, causing trouble and being rude are not A or B students and if they are I would be willing to bet they are not honors A or B students. They need to go home, open up their books and focus on school. When they have managed to bring their grades up then they need to sign up for an afterschool activity, club or sport. This will solve some of the problem. The rest of it will be solved by their parents teaching them how to be respectful, responsible, caring citizens. THIS IS NOT THE COMMUNITY'S RESPONSIBILITY!

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  26. I work at one of the major warehouses in our area and on a daily basis I get to see rude and pushy people who let their kids run around unsupervised they tear up books, open up product and eat it and put it back, jump one the furniture and not say a darn thing. So if you want to know where the kids are learning this kind of behavior you can look to the parents. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

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  27. First of all, who are the idiots bashing President Bush and blaming him for the war in Iraq? I guess 9-11 is a thing of the past in their minds, and now he is at fault for our kids? If you look at their spelling, it makes more since who they are. They probably dropped out of fifth grade, or maybe expelled from school in the fifth grade? However, a lot of the people writing in hit it right. As generations change, so do the children growing up in this world. Parents can't control their children, well, some of them, teachers can't teach every child to be a productive adult. The child himself or herself, can make choices in life. Unfortunately, a lot of them are making bad choices. The good news is, most of the children will become productive and responsible adults. Remember when your parents yelled at you for the kind of music you listened to. You thought the music was great, but it didn't fit in with the previous generation. Now you listen to your childs music. My God, what it that your listening to? Sound familiar? Anyway, I don't think building more parks or skateboard parks will solve the problems. The kids causing the problems will either grow out of it, or have time in jail to figure out what life is all about.

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  28. So Brian,
    Are the rest of us suppose to just live with it? This is my community too and I don't want to live with it. I had to turn down the music my parents didn't like listening too.

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  29. I don't think we need to accept disrespectful behavior from kids in a public place who drive away business...like I said before, let the businesses know they are losing money....that will get their attention.

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  30. I agree that Menifee should be providing an area for teens to hang out. I don't agree that their behavior is acceptable in light of others not providing an outlet for them. There are parks to hang out in or they act like responsible citizens when in public. Let law enforcement detain the snot nosed little jerks until their no-account parents or gaurdians show up to take them away. Eventually their parents/guardians will get tired of the phone calls from the sheriff and keep these jerks away from public places.

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  31. I guess that I am one of the idiots that concluded George W. Bush invasion of Iraq was based on misleading information, which has costs taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars. This invasion has impacted the ability of the federal government to provide domestic programs to states and local communities. Providing social and recreation programs aimed at youth would help with addressing the problem youth.

    For the record, I do not support rude teenagers. However, I try to understand the root problems of rude teenagers. Remember, we also have rude adults that have loud parties in their homes and guests that hog the parking on city interior streets.

    With many houses being foreclosed in Menifee, there will be investors that will buy these houses and turn them into rentals. Some of these houses will be occupied by Section 8 households. Some of these renters will be single head of household or low income families and their children may be leaning to gangs.

    The residents of Menifee must be able to promote programs addressing the needs of bored teenagers and at risk youth. Let us survey how more established communities have handled rowdy teenagers!

    If there is a City Recreation Department established and programs provided, will some of the posters be willing to volunteer so that youth are less incline to ride their bikes or loiter in public places?

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  32. To the poster on Sept 01 at 5:21. You cannot be serious in your comment on funding for Iraq has taken away money for other programs and tie that into parks and recreation. If this is the case then I guess emergency aid to foreign countries, to states and counties in our country and every other social program do the same?

    Simply put we have parks in and around Menifee. Try going to one of those parks with a 6 year old like I do and explain all the tagging and trash that is left behind. It is ashame that it is treated that way.

    I am all for parks and recreation as a method of building our kids. However when they do not respect what they have, why would giving more be a benefit?

    It all comes down to good parenting from the start and no amount of parks and recreation will overcome that. Parents need to be responsible and take responsibility for their kids actions period.

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  33. We need places for our young people to be. Temecula has their community center. There will no longer be the CSA (community service areas). My kids spent many days enjoying the activities at the Lazy Creek Park rec center (CSA 145). These services need to be replaced by the new city and YES, we as a city and community should fund these centers and activities.

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  34. Here is an idea, instead of building a park for them to do nothing at, start a contest where these kids can compete. Use what they like to do to teach them. Kind of like a X Games for Menifee.Let's be a community that enables kids not one that scorns and punishes because they have no direction. Sure, it should be the parents doing this, but do you think the problem of bad parenting will ever go away? S.O.M.

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  35. I'm a 40ish parent of 3 children who have plenty of things to do besides roller skating, riding bikes, and skateboarding in public parking lots! It's unacceptable that parents are allowing their children to disrespect their community like this and blame it on "lack of funding (ridiculously blamed on George Bush and Iraq a few posts up!!!) for skate parks". This is craziness! My children do NOT need a skate park to find places to bike and activities to keep them busy that do not IMPOSE on other people.

    Parents: WAKE UP, TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN, AND TEACH THEM RESPECT!!! Stop blaming everybody else and do it yourself. They shouldn't be loitering in public parking lots! From now on, when we see this activity, my family and I will go into the business we had intended to shop/eat at and tell them we will no longer be customers until the problem is addressed. Anybody else want to join us?

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  36. do you really think parents are telling there kids to lay down skid marks on sidewalks before they come home, or telling them to grind every bus bench they find idiot....the kids do what they wanna do once there out of the house..

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  37. These kids have way to much time on their hands to be loitering in front of stores and restaurants. I have been on my way to my son's football practice and driving on Newport Road when in front of Walgreens, some boys have made a jump with wood and a shopping cart. Would you want your kid playing at that busy intersection?
    Where are these parents? Where are the consequences for these kids actions? There are plenty of youth sports to be involved in or join a High School Club.
    This is just a lack of energy on the parents part.
    You will never see my kids loitering or defacing public property. They know the consequences for their actions. If you know any of these kids, speak up, call their parents, sure the kids might act like little A' Holes, so what, your an Adult.

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  38. I just finished a delicious dinner of Tacos (they are only $1 on Tuesdays) from Pueblo Viejo....

    When I arrived there were the usual teens, but; as I entered the restaurant, I was pleasently surprised to see a Riverside County Sheriff communicating to the Owner. When the Sheriff exited the restaurant he then communicated with the teens and they quickly left the property.

    I was so excited that something was actually being done, I asked the Sheriff, and other patrons to check out this site.

    Way to go Menifee!!

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  39. That is great news, Leslie! Glad to hear something positive about this situation.

    And to the person above (2:47) who said, "the kids do what they wanna do once there out of the house!"

    That is WHY those parents need to start doing THEIR job. It's a terrible thing to use the excuse that parents don't know what their kids are doing. If you're a parent, then make it your business to know what your kids are doing. You dropped the seed; you gave birth; now finish your job!

    I wish the cops would give a fine to the parents of these kids for loitering in public areas and creating a nuisance. Let the parents feel it in their pocketbooks! MAKE them responsible for their own children.

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  40. AMEN!, the parents are responsible for their kids. If they can't keep them out of trouble, then they shouldn't have done the deed!

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  41. Many of the posters are making comments about how parents should "ride heard" on their teenagers through a prism of middle class family stability and income level. In a more perfect world, these statements are very valid for other parents and teenagers in similar circumstances.

    Many of these teenagers seen in shopping centers and in front of certain stores are out there because of their individual circumstances. Yes, they need to be controlled more by law enforcement, which is balanced by more recreational opportunities and community based policing.

    In Yuma Arizona, many teenage boys are in gangs and girls are pregnant because their parents or single mother are working two jobs each just to pay the bills. The kids are left alone without parents' supervision. It is a social ill based on socioeconomic factors than values of the parents. Let us look at the root of the problem instead of making general statements.

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  42. For the poster at 4:45 am. Yes you are right that times have changed and kids of today are different than those of yesterday. However, that does not excuse a parent from parenting.

    Not all of those kids we see out there are from a "broken" home. I would find that hard to believe. Point is that there are too many kids simply hanging out and doing nothing constructive.

    High school graduation rates have lowered, kids are getting into trouble with law enforcement at earlier ages and teen pregnancy is up. All of this has to stem from somewhere and I believe it comes from the changing of generations. We are allowing kids of today more freedom and abilities and blaming it on both parents working, divorce, foreclosures and so on. In all of the cases above, parents should remember their first priority should be the well-being of their children.

    You are the parent and you are in control. If you cannot control your child, look for the real reasons why and stop blaming the changing society. As a parent you can control the values your child grows up with if you participate in their lives.

    Also how can you compare Yuma Az, with Menifee? According to the statistics, there is a significant difference in median incomes?

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  43. Murrieta put a free skate park in at Cal Oaks, and the kids disrespected it so much(i.e. property damage, fighting, etc.) that it became a real problem. We can and should provide parks and recreational activities for the kids in the community, but that will never replace good parenting, respect, or values. I am not saying that parents can control everything their children do, but they can do alot just by trying to teach their children respect. Our attitudes do tend to rub off on our kids, and they can make a difference. --Diane Draper

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  44. I know how you compare Yuma to Menifee. It's HOT! The devil's armpit.

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  45. A few months ago, I suggested to a lady from the parks department that there should be a skate park constructed in the "hole" located at the corner of Holland and Bradley. It is suppose to be a park but since I have lived here for nine (9) years nothing been done to the area, if one doesn't count graffti, breeding insects, and weeds. Or, just build a ball park, tennis court, soccer field, etc. Sounds good. Some place for the young people to go.

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  46. My family and I just bought a house in Menifee on August 22nd. There are a lot of teens/tweens hanging out doing nothing here and there. But, no more than any other area. We moved from Redhawk in Temecula where we rented for 3 years. It was absolutely a nightmare with kids roaming the area. Many nights I had to sit on the side of the house and watch our cars/property. That was one of the reasons we moved away from there.

    We do agree with most of you all that state the parents should tighten up and be more involved. I also think that the community should take responsibility for what is happening. Everyone should feel open to speaking their mind when around these young folks. If there are 5 young boys in front of you at Target and they are cussing and have their underwear hanging out, why don't you say something??? Are you afraid? Everytime I am out with my family and I see a 12 year old with saggy pants or a foul mouth I don't hesitate to let them know that their behavior is unacceptable. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to provoke them or get into any type of confrontation. They just need to know that what they are doing is wrong. I believe 100% in our children being able to have their individual personalitly etc... but with that, they need to be responsible for their actions/choices.

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  47. Ditto to all that said parenting is the number 1 problem. I don't care if they are 5 or 15, good values can be taught by single and two parent households. I have 4 kids and none of them get in trouble in their community or school. We teach them to appreciate their home and respect themselves and others. It is not hard...As stated before Parents be Parents and stop trying to play buddy buddy with your kids. It is not fair to them. This is why law enforcement is so active today. To the person stating low test scores, you are correct. A child that repeats more than 2 classes is subject to failing or dropping out of school today. A request to those who love their kids, give them your better and you both will be rewarded! I too will not do business with a place that will allow kids to loitter..so will join you on that quest.

    Honest Jon

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  48. When I was a teen in the mid 80's in the LA area there were a number of parks and much to do, but I usually hung out with friends and neighbors at my house or theirs, never once did I think about defacing property or loitering and mouthing off to adults. Every skate park in the area is a drug infested, unsepervised place for kids whos parents fail tp be responsible parents. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE ARE FACING AN ERA WITH POOR PARENTING AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY. BE A PARENT AND BE THERE FOR YOUR KIDS AND MODEL FOR YOU CHILDREN APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR OR DONT HAVE KIDS AT ALL.

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  49. There should be a parenting test...

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  50. we need a movie theater and bowling center.it would be good for the teens and the entire community.

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  51. Wow, with all the self-proclaimed "great parents" I am amazed there are any problems with unsupervised children in this area. Makes me wonder, hmmm?

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  52. i'm sorry--you want a sad story? well i'm one of those single moms, my husband died and i have four sons to raise--alone, with no family in this country or anyone else--my children's ages go from kindergarden to high schoolers!! and guess what? my kids sure as heck don't hang out in any parking lot skating or riding their bikes and disrespecting people! my oldest sons' friends go there to that strip mall all the time--and of course, my son has asked to go too and my answer was NO WAY!! try holding some parents responsible for their kids. i agree with the posters above who think the parents are at fault here. i don't care what your situation in life is, there is always someone else worse off who doesn't have their kids running around the city causing mayhem and being disrespectful. aren't loitering and skating all over stairs and parking spots at private places illegal? there are plenty of things for teens to do around here and plenty of ways single parents can keep their kids doing the right things. stop making excuses.

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  53. The community DOES have something for these kids to do--it's called SCHOOL.

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  54. From the number of posts, a nerve ending has been touched. Most posters feels that good parenting is necessary to keep the children from frequenting the shopping centers.

    "Kudos" to those parents that their kids are the examples of good behavior! However, we do have a percentage of kids that are frequenting the shopping centers and other public places. We need to find a balance between law enforcement and providing constructive activities for these youth. Let's survey how more established cities have handled similar problems.

    To respond to the poster on 9/1/08 at 5:46 p.m., I wish to state that a strong link is established between the failed George W. Bush Administration. Furthermore, McCaine & Palin can not gloss over the failure of Bush concentrating taxes on a war that he started and providing very little for domestic programs such as recreational activities. The Bush Administration is similar to head of household gambling most of his/her family income on the casinos and providing very little for basic, essential family expenses! Time for a true change. Vote for Obana and Biden!

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  55. I do not want my taxes raised so they can redistribute wealth. Obama will put this country in financial ruin. Wake up.

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  56. In Response to the poster on 9/6/080 at 5:31 p.m., please explain how Democrats raise taxes when President Clinton, A Democrat left a budget surplus amd George W.Bush.a Republican, has squandered the budget surplus and left us with record deficits for eight years.

    One major reason for these deficits is derived from Bush starting a war in Iraq based on lies and distortions, which should have resulted in impeachment. Because of his -incompetency, there is less money for domestic programs that normally filtrate down from the federal government to the local governmental units such as cities.

    Same as you, I do not want higher taxes. You can join me and not vote for a Bush third term (McCain/Palin).

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  57. Vote for Obama and we will all have safer parks, ample recreational areas in which to have our unsupervised teens play to their heart's content, an overflowing budget for domestic splendor which will enable us parents to build HUGE facilities to drop off our kids for their 3 pm to 11 pm enjoyment. It will get us parents off the hook and be the answer to all of our problems.

    Yeah, right....what are you? A 7-year old?

    Sorry, but your posts were too ridiculous to be taken seriously.

    (Oh, and is it "Obana' or Obama - a little confused here.)

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  58. In response to the poster on 9/6/08at 7:56 p.m., I read everyday newspapers and watch the "{talking heads" on T.V. to become informed. The facts hurt that George W. Bush is incompetent and has made very poor decisions that should be basis for impeachment. When the facts are validated, it is a sense of denial for you to lash out, mock the messenger, and get personal. One solution for you to overcome your tendency to lash out is read and become informed.

    Have a good night.

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  59. I want to read this comment section for input on the problems of Menifee, not to read a political debate. Please start another conversation somewhere else.

    Almost everyone here is correct, parents need to step up. The last thing we need are places where teenagers can continue to gather unsupervised. The good kids are not the kids that need someplace to go, they aren't the ones causing trouble. If we provide a place for all the misplaced kids we are just inviting more problems. I would actively speak out to the city council against a skate park in Menifee.

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  60. To the poster on 9/6/08 at 8:49 p.m., the political debate is interelated to the recreational needs and other socioeconomic issues in Menifee. Political discussion and response is appropriate particularly when responding to distorted and mocking comments that Repubicans types are employing on the local, state and federal levels.

    I do think that the City of Menifee should have a Recreation Committee to address recreation needs of the community particularly the youth. I believe that everyone can agree that the recreational facilities are woefully inadequate in Menifee, particularly in the north part of Sun City. Skate Board park would be a good project if operation of it is under adult and professional recreation employees that will eventually be employed.

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  61. This is to me an example of what young kids do today and wow they learn it from their parents! Instead of dealing with a problem, let's pass blame and turn the issue.

    A simple discussion of kids riding bikes in a shopping center turns to a political debate of Republicans vs Democrats and who is responsible for money to fund parks. Instead of dealing with the problem of kids and their lack of respect of authority and property, parents whould rather play the blame game.

    Stop this mess of creating an excuse to justify in your mind that everything is someone elses fault and deal with the issue at hand which is good parenting.

    This is not a political debate and should be a discussion on what is best for our kids.

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  62. To the poster on 9/6/08 at 10:12, you miss entire points. The problem with bicyclist is only tip of the iceberg. To simply pass off the problem as a parents problem is simply too simplistic.

    It is a multifacet problem that needs to be address from many sources such as community base policing, recreational opportunities and volunteer involvement.

    With the exception of volunteer involvement, it will take money from local, state and federal sources. Hence, the need for funds does bring up politics.

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  63. Is Menifee such a big city that it's citizens cannot just take responsibilty and help instead of complain and whine about parenting? How about a little American spirit to be positive about this, go out and do something instead of pointing to "social" problems. All it takes is a couple of do-gooders to change this whole thing around. With the amount of people complaining we could all go over there and change it in about 20-30 minutes....

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  64. quote: "we could all go over there and change it in about 20-30 minutes...."

    and it will last all of about 20-30 minutes. Some of us may even be handed lawsuits for harassment of minors. No thank you. I'd rather have the parents do it and when that fails, have law enforcement hit the parents where it hurts - fine them each $500 for their loitering children. Times are different.

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  65. We could change it by doing it ourselves? Well, yes to an extent we could for short term. Then my guess is that it will come back but with more issues. Oh and it is not our responsibility to parent for those who do not. Times have changed but again that is not an excuse for kids being disruptive or disrespectful.

    Everyone seems to want to claim politics, community policing and lack of recreational locations for these kids actions. But without good core values what would all these things do? They will fail.

    Oh and are both political parties not claiming we need to instill these core values to our youth? I am no angel myself never would claim to be either. But I can tell you that if I ever caught my kid doing what I have first hand experienced, I guarantee it would be the last time.

    Also I have posted several times on this topic and always I have referred it back to a parenting issue only to have someone oppose it with politics, sad stories and other excuses. I guess what baffles me is why you want to come up with all the reasons, but seem to not want to take the responsibility for your kids.

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  66. The debate goes on... We as a city of Menifee are fortunate to have so many parents who will not allow for their children to run loose. With those assurances, we do not hve hordes of kid with bicyclist swarming the public places.

    Yet, there are still those pesky bicyclist who are still there. Do we arrest every last one of them or fine away their parents who probably can not pay anyway? Let the parents sit in jail while their children still do the social curse by riding those bikes. It make quite a story. The street of Menifee.

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  67. Actually we don't have to wait for the Menifee City Council to become official to ask that something be done at that shopping center, it's within the incorporated boundaries of the city of Murrieta and is not part of Menifee. Head down to the Murrieta city council meetings and voice concerns over what's happening, it's going to take a concerted effort between the city, the property owner, the sheriff and the teen's parents to get a response.

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  68. Nevermind I was thinking of a different Albertsons, not the one on Newport, I retract the last comment.

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  69. Bush, Clinton, McCain, Obama, It does not make a difference. They are not to blaim for success or failure in our country. The root of everything lies within congress and the people.

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  70. I have been to these places with these so called "unruly teens" and they have the upmost respect for me. They move out of the way, greet me with respect and even open the doors for me. I don't know if maybe these kids know who the mean old folks are and have lost all respect for you, but I give them respect and get it in return. Maybe you should try to stop the whining and crying and just let the kids be kids. They can't stay in the house or school 24/7 as suggested by a poster, but they need to have things to do. The old people around the area are far more dangerous when they are behind the wheel of a vehicle than these kids on bikes. I am a parent of one of these kids and I support this activity 100%. And he is also a great student, never gets in trouble and just likes to ride his bike. Maybe you should break out of your shell and join the year 2008. You'll have a better and much easier time in life if you do. Happy riding BMXers!!!

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  71. To Heather--- I too have had a good experience with these so called "bad kids"! In fact, in one instance in front of Albertsons, my son asked them why they don't wear helmets. He couldn't come up with an excuse why he didn't have it on, but promptly told my kids to make sure they ride with theirs. Now I know that's not the best example for other kids but he was nice, polite and helped my cause! Then they showed off a couple tricks (my kids were impressed) and said goodbye. What I'm saying is, don't judge a book by it's cover. They aren't out there asking for money,smoking or damaging property. Is it really that dangerous? Heather is right...some of the seniors driving are more dangerous than these kids!

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  72. I am 29 years old and the mother of 2 small children. I was a teenager not that long ago and my parents never would have stood for me loitering in front of a business, jsut hanging out. If they want to ride their bikes then that is wonderful, go to your neighborhood and ride in the street. Make a sign that tells cars to slow down and build a ramp. This way the kids are not damaging public property with thier bikes on hand rails and are not in the way of people trying to get into a business and help provide sales tax to our up and coming city.

    I am glad not all of these kids are rude or destructive but they need find a better place to hangout. The original post was about how they are taking up tables at the Mexican restaurant and blocking the way for people to get in and out.

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  73. People in menifee complian about our kids riding bikes on sidewalks, on schools and near businesses, but don't do anything to help them get a skatepark. Its is completely ridiculous to keep on building houses, which will bring more kids, but not have a place for them to ride and have fun.

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  74. Menifee needs a skatepark for these kids to ride at

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  75. Alright, so we are back to building a skate park again. While I am all for recreational facilities and believe we are way behind in youth facilities, explain how a skate park will solve the problem? If the park is located near say Wheat Field (La Piedra and Menifee) how does that help the kid who lives near Petersen Park (Murrieta and Park City)? I guess we could build several of them to make it easy on everyone.

    Or we could review what the original post was about and address the problem of kids riding bikes on shopping center sidewalks and hanging out at the mexican restaurant and blocking the walk ways with their bikes.

    I prefer to choose the second point. No matter how you look at it, it is an issue. Kids all around America ride bikes on sidewalks and leave their bikes in places they should not. I bet they even do it at their homes sometimes too and you as a parent are frustrated when you have to get out of your car to get into your driveway. If that has not happened to you, then congradulations you have the only kid in America that has never done it!

    What needs to be addressed is the fact that kids are a reflection of their parents and if they are taught to be respectful and responsible, then they stand a chance. Do any of you out there fighting for building a skate park really think that is the cure all? And do you really believe that your child would go there vs hanging out at local business locations?

    If so, and it is true I will help pour the concrete so that I no longer have to move, walk around or over your kids bike again!

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  76. Parents who don't have anything for your kids to do...Then move..you knew the area you came in and now you complaining they don't have anything..I am raising 4 kids and they are active in school and sports or work...mmm yeah work. I bet your kids don't even ask if a neigbor need their car wash or lawn at mowed. Cupboard Volunteer at cupboard or at local golf places. We teach our kids listen, we whine they whine.

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  77. Fred Twyman