Arizona governor signs immigration bill

Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed a bill Friday that requires police in her state to determine whether a person is in...

Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed a bill Friday that requires police in her state to determine whether a person is in the United States legally, which critics say will foster racial profiling but supporters say will crack down on illegal immigration.

The bill requires immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there is reason to suspect that they're in the United States illegally. It also targets those who hire illegal immigrant day laborers or knowingly transport them.

The Republican governor also issued an executive order that requires additional training for local officers on how to implement the law without engaging in racial profiling or discrimination.

"This training will include what does and does not constitute reasonable suspicion that a person is not legally present in the United States," Brewer said after signing the bill.

"Racial profiling is illegal. It is illegal in America, and it's certainly illegal in Arizona," Brewer said.

The rules, to be established in by the Arizona Peace Officers Standards and Training Board, are due back to her in May. The law goes into effect 90 days after the close of the legislative session, which has not been determined.

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  1. The federal government has failed to enforce the immigration laws and protect the people of our border states and country. Perhaps the most important duty of the government is to provide law enforcement to protect it's people. As a young police officer in L.A. County in the early 70's, it was the norm to arrest illegal aliens when encountered. By the mid-seventies it was no longer politically correct to do so and local governments directed officers not to arrest but only notify immigration authorities. The pendulum in Arizona has obviously swung back as the increase in violence, drug smuggling, and kidnappings associated with illegal immigration has taken their toll. The Arizona law copies the unenforced federal law and Arizona officers will not be rounding up illegal aliens by the bus load as demonstrators seem to suggest. In fact they will be returning to the old policy to arrest and notify I.C.E. when they come in contact with suspected illegals instead of releasing them back into the community. As a country we must insist that aliens enter the country legally just as my parents did when they immigrated to the U.S.A. in the early 50's. Everyone entering this country must come in the front door and not the back.

    Clyde

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  2. Amen Clyde and Arizona too. About time something was done for the benefit of those of us who are here legally

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  3. I don’t expect this law to stand a court test. Regardless of claims to the contrary, enforcing it without profiling will be virtually impossible.

    It will be interesting to learn how those who hire the illegals respond. Wage rates for lots of labor-related things would rise (homeowners, small and large businesses, etc.). If there are a lot of illegals in manufacturing (as I expect there are), the employers will have a big decision: pay higher wages for legals, go out of business or move out of state. The competitiveness of the current economic environment makes companies very sensitive to wage rates and many Arizona companies could be priced out of the market if they must pay higher wages.

    It will also be interesting to see that list of things that do and do not constitute reasonable suspicion. Once the list is publicized, illegals would simply learn to avoid the behavior.

    Eliminating illegals would be a lot easier if fewer people benefitted from their existence…

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  4. If our government would have been enforcing this for the past 40 years we would not have the crime, unemployment and health care issues that we are all facing right now.
    Good for Arizona to stand up and be a role model for the rest of the United States.

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  5. are you really that dumb people. These are people that allow you to have your produce and vegetables at a reasonable price. You hypocritical people benefit from undocumented immigrants just as much as everybody else does. So how about if you really want to take a stand only grow your own fruit and vegetables, build your own houses, do all your own yardwork and maintence, etc. The ignorance of people is amazing...and I am not suprised as to how biggoted Menifee is. Its own very small neo-nazi environment.

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  6. Good for Arizona, now can California do the same thing?

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  7. I'd be willing to pay more for everything if ALL illegal immigrants were removed from the United States.
    We would be able to afford more because there would be NO mor cheap labor and our personal incomes would rise.
    Unemployment would be at ZERO and we would not have a healthcare system in ruins.
    These are all facts.

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  8. I think if any of these people who are supportive of illegal aliens, took a real close look at the criminal activity at the towns along the Mexico border, they may begin to understand why Arizona came to grips before it became infested with crime as Texas and California has. This law has not been put into effect to be discriminatory. It was put into effect to curb the types of crime that which is perpetrated here in the United States by illegal aliens on more of a regular basis.
    When I see the Police of the border towns and states complain that their is a problem I will take notice. In the meantime, Understand the law was put into place to aid to protect the citizens of Arizona. I wish California would do the same and quick. Unfortunately we have a piss poor Governor who thinks aliens are a good thing. The wealthy enjoy having slave labor and cheap labor is the legal way to have slave labor.
    As for the Americans who do work similar to that of many of the Mexican nationals,... do keep this in mind,.... There is a reason why Landscapers, many construction trades, many restaurant positions, maid companies and many other positions, feel they don't get paid enough and rarely get a raise is simple. There is an endless supply of new labor walking in over the border looking for jobs here and making it difficult for far too many that work hard to ever get a raise and do well for their American family. Unemployment would be reduced by a huge number. The state of California would be able to afford teachers and the like. There is a large number of illegal aliens who are granted permission to come to the United States every year legally. Is it too much to ask that we keep everyone on the same page of being legal in this country?
    why is it when the state tries to protect its citizens in numerous ways media makes it hype and you hear terms like nazi and such.
    FYI nazi rounded people up to kill them. This is about upholding the law. Illegal aliens are here illegally. It is about aiding the law abiding citizens. It is about aiding the police to keep their communities under a reasonable control without losing control.

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  9. Look at the polls in Arizona. Over 70% of the legal population approve of the governors actions and this bill.
    I'm moving to Arizona so I can get away from all these illegals here in our area. Good luck to California, it will now be overwhelmed with illegals. More than it is now is going to force our governor to do the same thing here.

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  10. @Anonymous April 28, 2010 12:25 PM - You can't be saying, let's allow illegal immigration to encourage cheap or slave labor....

    The fact that people take advantage of others who have things to hide or who do not speak English....is the very reason you should be defending the American call to CLOSE the borders and diffuse the march toward "multi-cultural" segregation. The more people are lured into celebrating their own ethnicity and NOT assimilating into the American culture and language, the more apartheid and slave labor wins. It's not a slam against a culture or a race to encourage assimilation.

    Something MAJOR changed in the 60s in our immigration policy that had some BAD results. I came in the 50s and eurasian was not HIGH on the list of immigration quotas, so it took us 10 years to make it up the list and finalize all that had to be done. The 60s mentality said that's not fair to have quotas that preferred european professionals over asian laborers...so they changed the law. The unforeseen CONSEQUENCES of that change led to CHAIN immigration policies that have created pockets of immigrants that NO longer value American liberty, English language, American culture the way the first 200 years of immigrants did.

    We may need a REAL serious debate on how to find and help the "shadow" illegal immigrants who do not engage in criminal activity, but the VERY fact that they entered the country without due process MUST be stopped. The whole "profiling" issue is a joke. There is NOTHING wrong with profiling people to protect yourself. You'd be giving up a basic human instinct of logic, reason and observation. Staying Politically correct or making profiling about "racism" is a JOKE that puts us all in DANGER.

    If I can't use race or color to describe a person, then I'd be ignoring the elephant in the living room.

    We often know what skin color people are, or race or culture...just because we say it, or use that as a description to help in an investigation --- does not make us a racist people or prejudiced or any such nonsense. We did it for WWII with Germans and Japanese in order to protect the country, we need to do it now. Don't tell me that police can't profile on race or cultural distinctions. They would be idiots if they didn't.

    Racism exists, it's a human weakness that should not be encouraged in public officials, but let's not confuse RACISM with common sense, reason, logic and open discussions. Just because I KNOW there is an elephant in the room and SAY so, doesn't mean I hate elephants.

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  11. To April 28, 2010 12:25 PM
    You should take a vacation to the Midwest one day. You may be surprised that most of the labor workers are legal citizens. That includes the hotel maids, the restaurant workers, the farmers, etc.. Oh, and these states are not in the financial crisis that California is in. So before you call people dumb, know what you are talking about.

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  12. I can't believe that someone on this posting actually believes the only reason we have reasonably priced fruits and vegetables is because of illegal immigrants!!!! lmao!! Ok, anonymous! Us "bigoted neo-nazi Menifee residents" should embrace, & employ undocumented people in this country so they can pick us some fruit and cut our lawns!!! WHO is the bigot?? You are right buddy, some people's ignorance are amazing!! And next time you look in the mirror, you'll see one first hand!!!!

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  13. The labor to pick fruit and veggies is around 3% of the resale price charged for same. Even if the labor costs were doubled, it would only add 3 cents to the dollar. So stop using the ignorant and ridiculous arguement that without illegals, our food prices would jump out of sight!

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  14. God bless Arizona.

    The votes arent here in California to do the same thing but we can get e-verify laws at the city level.

    Menifee is in the forefront of that battle.

    http://nonsanctuarycitymovement.ning.com/

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  15. I would love to see the exact same law that Arizona just signed here in California. OMG, our state would clean house. I would be making citizen arrests and shipping them all back across the border. Lock the border down, place electrified fences up. Something, Anything, we've got to take our states back from all the illegals.

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  16. This is a great place to voice your opinion but you should all also be letting your state legislature know your feelings as well...

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  17. The 3 cent increase in the price of fruits and veggies is a myth, actual cost would be significantly more, unless of couse the corporations would be willing to cut into their profits to benefit the working men and women, but that is not likely. The health insurance issues in this nation has less to do with illegals and more to do with the profit margins and greed of the insurance companies. There are alot of bigoted people in the IE and in Menifee, but I do not think this issue is based in racism as much as ignorance. I came from the Mid-West and can tell you that the people working the fields and menial jobs are undocumented/illegal, but the number is so low that the states do not care. The reason that the federal government won't deal with immigration is that all the pols. from states without issues in immigration will not vote for anything that will cost their state $$$. Many of the politicians speaking out now are anti immigrant because the press is watching, but have done very little to fix the problem in the past.

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  18. Why are we to assume that the person mowing our lawn is illegal? My gardener is Hispanic and legal! Why would you assume that the person picking our produce is illegal? I work in construction and we are very thorough about only hiring legal workers. We also pay above minimum wage. To say that the prices related to these industries would go up is premature. We don't really know what the affect would be, do we. I would say that Anonymous April 28, 2010 12:25 PM is the bigot for assuming that all Hispanics in these industries are illegal. My Caucasian father grew up picking cotton and produce and he is legal.

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  19. "I came from the Mid-West and can tell you that the people working the fields and menial jobs are undocumented/illegal"

    Did you ask for documentation or were you hiring them?

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  20. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy
    out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

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  21. How about a kid coming into middle school, and doesn't know ONE word of english? Who pays the price? The teachers who can't teach the kid anything, or our children? Who then fall behind because of this student?? If the parents aren't citizens, I'm sure they aren't paying taxes that may/maynot help out our failing school system.

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  22. …“To say that the prices related to these industries would go up is premature. We don't really know what the affect would be, do we. …“

    Yes, actually, we do.

    Removing the presumably large number of illegals from the labor pool who are willing to work for the lowest wages will certainly cause costs to rise. As with everything else, when the supply of something shrinks, its cost (wages in this case) goes up. It’s Economics 101.

    Neither small nor large employers are beating the drums in support of strict enforcement. We like to think of these enterprises as the backbone of our economy, but they want and need cheap labor. Driving companies out of business by raising wage levels serves no purpose.

    Manufacturing jobs have migrated to areas of lower wages over the last decades. If the U.S. is to regain some of those lost jobs, production costs must fall. Our medium and large corporations understand the benefits of outsourcing to areas of lower costs and will do even more of it if they have to pay higher wages here.

    The realities of the world economy in the 21st century are very different than the time before the USSR collapsed. We’re not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle.

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  23. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS...YOU PASS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YRS HARD LABOR, YOU PASS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET SHOT. YOU PASS THE AMERICAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, DRIVER'S LICENSE, ALLOWANCE FOR A PLACE TO LIVE, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT SO YOU CAN READ A DOCUMENT. WE CARRY PASSPORTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES OR FACE JAIL TIME. REPOST IF YOU AGREE

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  24. So Menifeerer, you are saying we should eliminate both of our borders completely? This would help keep the cost of everything low and we would all be better off?

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  25. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS...YOU PASS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YRS HARD LABOR, YOU PASS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET SHOT. YOU PASS THE AMERICAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, DRIVER'S LICENSE, ALLOWANCE FOR A PLACE TO LIVE, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT SO YOU CAN READ A DOCUMENT. WE CARRY PASSPORTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES OR FACE JAIL TIME. REPOST IF YOU AGREE <--- Well put!!

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  26. I love the economics lesson: Economics 102 if we are only employing 85% of our legal citizens and we have a 10% illegal population wouldn’t it be best to employ those first. Illegal aliens do not pay taxes and a lot send there money back to Mexico to there families. The ones that squat in California also do not pay taxes and require us to spend our funds to raise there children. Think of it this way we can reduce class size by 10%+. In the urban setting people are flooding houses, houses with 20+ illegal’s trying to get by. Shelters can not take care of all of these people, so what will they do for food; we all know exactly what they will do. Mexico’s president spews the most hypocritical statement as he blasts Arizona for there tuff illegal immigration laws as it’s a 10 year sentence still to enter Mexico illegally. Maybe he dose not wish for them to be their ether?

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  27. Menifeerer “economics 101”

    If people are making more money they spend more money witch in turn adds to the over all stability in a community, driving demand up forces more manufacturing in turn creates jobs witch repeats the cycle over and over again until someone comes along and steal those jobs driving wages down preventing people from buying goods causing demand to drop and production to come to a halt. Look I am not the smartest man in to world but take Mexico for example. They have lived in poverty for a really long time and having cheap labor has not seemed to have helped them. Go Arizona!

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