tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post4009455818879705826..comments2024-03-08T13:49:02.231-08:00Comments on Menifee 24/7: Menifee City Council Meeting - Jan 6, 2009Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04404091189792961642noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-15952694769291015562009-02-02T12:09:00.000-08:002009-02-02T12:09:00.000-08:00Anyone out there know how I can volunteer to creat...Anyone out there know how I can volunteer to creat the districts for the city to approve? I'd love to serve in this capacity.<BR/><BR/>If we just get this done we can move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-18910988553914524582009-01-21T11:31:00.000-08:002009-01-21T11:31:00.000-08:00Most of the whining is coming from those who want ...Most of the whining is coming from those who want to re-vote for districts. So just eat it up and live with what the majority of people voted for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-21138542235470279222009-01-20T14:53:00.000-08:002009-01-20T14:53:00.000-08:00For goodness sakes, when its the FUTURE of our gre...For goodness sakes, when its the FUTURE of our great city's success; stop blaming us for admitting we were not thinking when we voted for districts; just have a new vote and eat it up. This is our new city here at stake! Save the recalls for IF and WHEN its really warranted....this is too early for even thinking about it because you didn't get your way. YOU'RE CONSIDERING GIVING OUR NEW CITY A BLACKEYE; THEN THE ENTIRE STATE WILL KNOW WHAT WHINERS LIVE HERE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-92022968913089601862009-01-20T07:22:00.000-08:002009-01-20T07:22:00.000-08:00To January 19, 2009 7:30 PM: Why is one crying whe...To January 19, 2009 7:30 PM: Why is one crying when they bring up recall, which I totally disagree with, and when re-voting for dtricts is brought up, it makes perfect sense? <BR/><BR/>To January 19, 2009 9:22 PM: I have been a proponent for incorporation from the day I moved to Menifee and I did vote for at-large. But as I stated above, why should we pay to re-vote for districts because there are some that didn't get their way? <BR/><BR/>And please don't bring up the fact that it was a close vote and people chose to vote ignorantly. Give me something else. <BR/><BR/>January 19, 2009 7:57 AMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-53364965312847880692009-01-19T21:22:00.000-08:002009-01-19T21:22:00.000-08:00In response to the blogger posting on 1/19/09 at 7...In response to the blogger posting on 1/19/09 at 7:57,<BR/><BR/>Are you part of the "No Cityhood" group that has been carping and threatening the city council from the first meetings to present? This group has been threatening recalling three Council member at City Council meetings. These threats have apparently been made as an attempt to force the council to decide in the "No Cityhood" proponents directions on different issues. To continously attempt to disturb the Council from laying a very stong foundation in governance during the first year is very wrong. All of you need to move on after losing to the "Yes Cityhood" supporters by a nearly 62% to 38% margin in the June 3, 2008 Election. <BR/><BR/>Why don't the "No Cityhood" proponents volunteer their services to the different committees as they are organized and help the city become a desirable place that all of us can live. I am sure that there are some good ideas within each of you that can help the city and we are able to know each of you in more positive terms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-15859510319502270772009-01-19T20:43:00.000-08:002009-01-19T20:43:00.000-08:00I just want to point out to the above anonymous co...I just want to point out to the above anonymous commenter that it's not Chuck Reutter complaining about districts. It was the city council who first started the complaining.Steve Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07254867681706917705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-46125171262580222512009-01-19T19:30:00.000-08:002009-01-19T19:30:00.000-08:00To anonymous on Jan 19th at 7:57 am:I struggle to ...To anonymous on Jan 19th at 7:57 am:<BR/><BR/>I struggle to understand why there always has to be a few people like you who whine and cry 'recall' when things do not go your way.<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be better (and healthier) to learn how to get along with others and be supportive? Perhaps it is a good time in your life to begin by being an optimist. <BR/><BR/>Here are some great words to live by from Optimist Int'l...<BR/><BR/>Promise Yourself-<BR/><BR/>To be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace of mind.<BR/><BR/>To talk health, happiness and prosperity to every person you meet.<BR/><BR/>To make all your friends feel that there is something in them.<BR/><BR/>To look at the sunny side of everything and make your optimism come true.<BR/><BR/>To think only of the best, to work only for the best, and to expect only the best.<BR/><BR/>To be just as enthusiastic about the success of others as you are about your own.<BR/><BR/>To forget the mistakes of the past and press on to the greater achievements of the future.<BR/><BR/>To wear a cheerful countenance at all times and give every living creature you meet a smile.<BR/><BR/>To give so much time to the improvement of yourself that you have no time to criticize others.<BR/><BR/>To be too large for worry, too noble for anger, too strong for fear, and too happy to permit the presence of trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-41691948630165083112009-01-19T07:57:00.000-08:002009-01-19T07:57:00.000-08:00Having a recall election to remove council members...Having a recall election to remove council members that do not honor the will of the people is also a small price to pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-50344285125558575282009-01-17T17:38:00.000-08:002009-01-17T17:38:00.000-08:00Yes, we need another election specifically for thi...Yes, we need another election specifically for this. AFTER having enough public forums designed to educate us. Small price to pay for something of this importance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-34947731137155110652009-01-17T15:49:00.000-08:002009-01-17T15:49:00.000-08:00Why do I have to pay for this to be put on the bal...Why do I have to pay for this to be put on the ballot again because you chose not to get informed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-86253665752850336842009-01-17T07:51:00.000-08:002009-01-17T07:51:00.000-08:00In response to the poster on 1/16/08 at 9:41 a.m.T...In response to the poster on 1/16/08 at 9:41 a.m.<BR/><BR/>The comment from the poster on 1/15/09 at 7:28 p.m. is very well stated. It is as follows: <BR/><BR/>"I am very disappointed that so much attention was being placed on the council election that not much information came out about for or against voting for districts."<BR/><BR/>The above comment depicts the reason that we need to have another election to discuss the at large versus district measure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-489553838595019382009-01-16T20:36:00.000-08:002009-01-16T20:36:00.000-08:00Maybe for some sillies like me who did not underst...Maybe for some sillies like me who did not understand before. This is important (more than originally thought); so giving more information all along the line does help. Some of us (me) are not too proud to admit we didn't know as much as we thought we did. I don't see any of the misunderstandings is unusual when starting up a new city like we are. We have a great board who deserve our support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-31238389946454056472009-01-16T09:41:00.000-08:002009-01-16T09:41:00.000-08:00The pros and cons were discussed before the Nov. e...The pros and cons were discussed before the Nov. election. Why should they be discussed again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-65242540772844340032009-01-15T19:41:00.000-08:002009-01-15T19:41:00.000-08:00In response to the blogers on 1/14/09 at 3:55 and ...In response to the blogers on 1/14/09 at 3:55 and 5.06,<BR/><BR/>Why are the no cityhood supports, which now is against district so against having a debate during a campaign to decide between At-Large or Districts. This debate will result in informed voters? Are the no at large supporter afraid that informed voters may vote opposite to their stance? Incidentally, my source of information for the number of voters voting against districts was taken from the Riverside County Registrar of Voters. There were only 227 votes difference out of 10,330 votes casts. The City of Menifee residents deserves another vote to discuss the pros and cons of districts versus at large.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-40043323970460275202009-01-15T19:28:00.000-08:002009-01-15T19:28:00.000-08:00To comment from anonymous on January 14, 2009 5:48...To comment from anonymous on January 14, 2009 5:48 PM. <BR/><BR/>I know you did not mean to generalize and label hoa board members as being non-desirable and fighting dirty for a seat of power. I moved to a new development that unfortunately is controlled by an hoa. It was very difficult to find a house in a new development that does not have an hoa, so I decided that if I have to live within an hoa with rules and regulations put into place by the new developer, I wanted to have a say so and prevent any unfair rules and regulations from being added and to prevent misuse of power. My desire was to live peacefully without massive control by the hoa.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, I ran for our hoa board several years ago and have been serving ever since. The good news is that the other members of our board feel the same as I do and our residents are pleased with the outcome.<BR/><BR/>I understand those who make the valid point about 'by district' already being decided by the people. I also understand others who say the issue needs to be brought back for a vote. I am very disappointed that so much attention was being placed on the council election that not much information came out about for or against voting for districts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-56604524784516401422009-01-15T17:06:00.000-08:002009-01-15T17:06:00.000-08:00WHY are we discussing commenters at the Nov 18th C...WHY are we discussing commenters at the Nov 18th Council Meeting ??<BR/>Come on folks, just because individuals speak out does not mean they oppose everything! Seems we're unfair, especially to our seniors; instead of being thankful they actively take part in the goings-on out here. They have a legitimate voice; along with lots of wisdom on a lot of things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-69466728323133920222009-01-15T15:55:00.000-08:002009-01-15T15:55:00.000-08:00to anonymous, at January 14, 2009 8:34PMYou should...to anonymous, at January 14, 2009 8:34PM<BR/>You should be thankful that the seniors in your community attend all the city council meetings and are active in seeing that their city is represented the way the people voted. It does not matter that they were against cityhood or not. They accepted the vote of the people and you and the city council need to do the same. There is no need to debate on discussions of "at Large or by districts" 52% voted in favor of by districts won. If you or anyone else did not research or checkout what you were voting on then you should not have voted. Strange it's people like you who loose and cry foul because the election did not go your way. Shame on you. You have no idea who actually voted for districts and it does not matter if seniors or young people voted it passed. Get over it. We need city council members to represent us by districts and be answerable to the people in that district. Check out the facts most large cities in CA are by districts. Mayor Egerton comes from Longbeach and they have nine districts. He was on the council for 16 years in one district. So he must have been doing his job ok to keep getting re-elected. Menifee is 46.5 sq, miles and second largest city in Riverside. The real reason behind not wanting districts by the council members is the law states you must live in that district or you can not serve. Only the city council and the few who do not except the fact they lost to by districts are causing the problems in the new city not the ones who pushed for a no vote on (Cityhood) Shame on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-3260633080921204372009-01-14T20:34:00.000-08:002009-01-14T20:34:00.000-08:00In response to Anonymous, 1/14/09, 12:15 p.m., Th...In response to Anonymous, 1/14/09, 12:15 p.m., <BR/><BR/>The most vocal supporters of districts are seniors who appears constantly before the City Council Meeting. These individual are also very vocal in opposition to "At-Large." <BR/><BR/>If you google the official web site of the City of Menifee, you can read their comments, particularly the minutes for the Nobember 18, 2008 meeting. These individuals are Ann Pica, Ruth Goulet and Chuck Reutter. <BR/><BR/>The three individuals are the same ones that pushed for a vote of "No Cityhood" and they lost by a landslide (61%+ yes and 32% no. <BR/><BR/>Your misconception of Seniors pushing for At-Large" versus "Districts" is wrong. It is important to have a debate in an election campaign to set the record straight. This debate can also discuss the pros and cons of At-Large" versus "Districts." <BR/><BR/>The Seniors who are pushing Districts seems to be afraid of a thorough discussion on the merits of "At-Large" versus "Districts." Do not be bambozled and get the correct information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-46505433171380697402009-01-14T17:48:00.000-08:002009-01-14T17:48:00.000-08:00I don't understand why going 'at large' would open...I don't understand why going 'at large' would open us up to getting someone like the HOA boards on council. I'd sooner think having to vote districts would make us more likely to get a nondesireable on from the HOA's (they fight dirty for a seat of power). So I prefer voting at large and have an option of weeding out the names we KNOW are not worthy. I favor letting the council we have give wise counsel in their decisions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-44579355895385969842009-01-14T16:09:00.000-08:002009-01-14T16:09:00.000-08:00I didn't say I wanted "At Large" I said I wanted d...I didn't say I wanted "At Large" I said I wanted districts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-23124158851046627492009-01-14T14:02:00.000-08:002009-01-14T14:02:00.000-08:00To anonymous January 14, 2009 12:15 PMYou just mad...To anonymous January 14, 2009 12:15 PM<BR/><BR/>You just made the point of why there should be districts. <BR/><BR/>The senior community has been here long before the rest of us and now there are people like you that think they should go away. <BR/><BR/>Not a solid arguement for an "at large" vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-89823260192715288022009-01-14T12:15:00.000-08:002009-01-14T12:15:00.000-08:00I want "Districts"!!! I understand that the 55 and...I want "Districts"!!! I understand that the 55 and over group wants at Large and they want to push their agenda. They have lived out here for a long time and want a say. <BR/><BR/>However, this city is no longer a 55 plus or senior community. This community is growing with young people and families. People who will be living here for a long time. We need people to represent us!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-77377071592645761062009-01-14T11:04:00.000-08:002009-01-14T11:04:00.000-08:00If we go "at large" this is what you will get:Look...If we go "at large" this is what you will get:<BR/><BR/>Look at the Sun City and Menifee Lakes homeowners groups. Loaded with folks that have the time and desire to bicker, backstab, stack boards, and scream for recalls.<BR/><BR/>I voted for districts (listen Mr. Mazai) to minimize the influnce of these (and other) particular groups.<BR/><BR/>"At-large" will allow groups like these to potentially stack the city council with their own kind.<BR/><BR/>You are right Mr. Mazai, your family residence will not be well represented if your district includes the core, but districts will insure that family residences are represented on the council.<BR/><BR/>Limit the control of the retirees, the Sun City core, the rural folks, and the family communities with districts. Otherwise we could be faced with the seniors, or the Menifee Lakers, or the Quail Valley folks creating political havoc and this thing getting very ugly.<BR/><BR/>Where do our current City Council Reps live? Make a map and I'll bet this push for a new vote to abolish districts makes a lot more sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-31058093659148407212009-01-12T08:53:00.000-08:002009-01-12T08:53:00.000-08:00Shame on any of us addressing opposing views or wo...Shame on any of us addressing opposing views or words as 'stupid', 'ignorant', or some other demeaning term. This is a public forum and if we keep an open mind and one willing to listen and learn, we can find a lot of information from commenters. Its when I detect a 'superior-mind's' comments that I turn them off and go on to others. Until the day when some of us are ascended enough to be 'above having to perform the human daily habits', we need to be seen as equal footing ! I don't believe ANY of us are there yet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5181366.post-53311737787012979782009-01-12T08:41:00.000-08:002009-01-12T08:41:00.000-08:00Everybody is going off about the delay on creating...Everybody is going off about the delay on creating districts. The reason is simple, POLITICS. Everyone is going off in these forums, just think what the response is like at the council offices. Give it a rest, establishing districts is one of those things that looks easy on paper, but the practical application is another story. It will happen, this is just a hiccup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com